DAL AIP passed 50% +1
01-15-2023, 11:45 AM
#31
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What I find amusing is that a couple of you think this no concessions talk is new with the delta aip. There have been plenty of us ringing the alarm bells about our posture going in to negotiations and even before that with the unproven retirement replacement plan put forward out side of section six. We all know they have conceded things that no one agreed to. We know what has happened since the 2015 CBA. It was not a good deal when it was presented and in retrospect it has proven to be even worse. Yes voters should be the most skeptical.
But lots of folks around here vote solely on what's best for them. So they will read through it and overlook anything that doesn't effect them. "I'm a domestic guy I don't care about class of service or layflat seats." Anyone advocating that approach you know what they're about. It has nothing to do with being open minded.
Our NC doesn't demand better they think they can horse trade our way to a better contract. How many times are we gonna have to keep doing the same stupid ish before we realize this is not the way.
But lots of folks around here vote solely on what's best for them. So they will read through it and overlook anything that doesn't effect them. "I'm a domestic guy I don't care about class of service or layflat seats." Anyone advocating that approach you know what they're about. It has nothing to do with being open minded.
Our NC doesn't demand better they think they can horse trade our way to a better contract. How many times are we gonna have to keep doing the same stupid ish before we realize this is not the way.
01-15-2023, 08:36 PM
#32
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You’ll be waiting longer than your career has available to get that in a contract negotiation. What a bunch of foolish nonsense.
im sure the Company will be happy to take your “No” vote all the way to the bank in this era of cost cutting. Give them another year or two to get their financial health in order.
Putting your mad before your money. Fools.
im sure the Company will be happy to take your “No” vote all the way to the bank in this era of cost cutting. Give them another year or two to get their financial health in order.
Putting your mad before your money. Fools.
As he should. You’re putting him in a tough position. The NC isn’t going to go back and open up TAd material because there could be a concession in it. This talk of no concessions started with Delta’s AIP which is nothing until it gets written in contractual TA language. If you don’t like what our union and FedEx come up with in a TA, vote accordingly. Yelling NO CONCESSIONS at this point of the game isn’t fair.
01-16-2023, 08:54 AM
#33
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I think it’s more about looking at the long game. If patience is needed, (and longer time with current contract) to get something that is not only better but also positions us in a better position for the next round, then it can make sense. Plus, I can live on current pay at BLG. I hope everyone can.
What does fair have anything to do with this? Leverage isn’t fair. It gives one side more strength than the other, and in most cases that leverage comes from forces outside the control of either party.
What does fair have anything to do with this? Leverage isn’t fair. It gives one side more strength than the other, and in most cases that leverage comes from forces outside the control of either party.
With that being said, I am saying it’s not fair now for us to collectively tell the NC no concessions when we didn’t poll that way initially — or at least I don’t think we did.
If we get a turd TA served up to us, vote accordingly. I’m choosing my words there carefully so as to not get us in any trouble.
How many on here have been to your LEC meetings and participated? Unless I am flying I attend every single event. During the past years I’ve been to almost every event. Yes I live in the local area.
At one of the meetings, PM was there and he gave a rather passionate speech. He mentioned being sick and tired of getting screwed by the company, them wanting more from us while purposely misinterpreting the agreed upon language in the contract. He vowed not to let them do it again. I believe him. I trust him.
Everyone on here is getting spun up over unsubstantiated rumors. We are in the final stretch. Unity matters now more than ever. When we get our say, we will. If that means sending back a TA with the words NO CONCESSIONS stamped on top of it, we will.
01-16-2023, 10:15 AM
#34
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I word searched “no concessions”. Yes, Pinseeker said it back in 2021, the earliest reference I could find. Maybe everyone has been thinking it all along? It just seems to be the talk of the town ever since DAL’s AIP came out.
With that being said, I am saying it’s not fair now for us to collectively tell the NC no concessions when we didn’t poll that way initially — or at least I don’t think we did.
If we get a turd TA served up to us, vote accordingly. I’m choosing my words there carefully so as to not get us in any trouble.
How many on here have been to your LEC meetings and participated? Unless I am flying I attend every single event. During the past years I’ve been to almost every event. Yes I live in the local area.
At one of the meetings, PM was there and he gave a rather passionate speech. He mentioned being sick and tired of getting screwed by the company, them wanting more from us while purposely misinterpreting the agreed upon language in the contract. He vowed not to let them do it again. I believe him. I trust him.
Everyone on here is getting spun up over unsubstantiated rumors. We are in the final stretch. Unity matters now more than ever. When we get our say, we will. If that means sending back a TA with the words NO CONCESSIONS stamped on top of it, we will.
With that being said, I am saying it’s not fair now for us to collectively tell the NC no concessions when we didn’t poll that way initially — or at least I don’t think we did.
If we get a turd TA served up to us, vote accordingly. I’m choosing my words there carefully so as to not get us in any trouble.
How many on here have been to your LEC meetings and participated? Unless I am flying I attend every single event. During the past years I’ve been to almost every event. Yes I live in the local area.
At one of the meetings, PM was there and he gave a rather passionate speech. He mentioned being sick and tired of getting screwed by the company, them wanting more from us while purposely misinterpreting the agreed upon language in the contract. He vowed not to let them do it again. I believe him. I trust him.
Everyone on here is getting spun up over unsubstantiated rumors. We are in the final stretch. Unity matters now more than ever. When we get our say, we will. If that means sending back a TA with the words NO CONCESSIONS stamped on top of it, we will.
I couldn't agree with you more!!!
01-16-2023, 11:50 AM
#35
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I word searched “no concessions”. Yes, Pinseeker said it back in 2021, the earliest reference I could find. Maybe everyone has been thinking it all along? It just seems to be the talk of the town ever since DAL’s AIP came out.
With that being said, I am saying it’s not fair now for us to collectively tell the NC no concessions when we didn’t poll that way initially — or at least I don’t think we did.
If we get a turd TA served up to us, vote accordingly. I’m choosing my words there carefully so as to not get us in any trouble.
How many on here have been to your LEC meetings and participated? Unless I am flying I attend every single event. During the past years I’ve been to almost every event. Yes I live in the local area.
At one of the meetings, PM was there and he gave a rather passionate speech. He mentioned being sick and tired of getting screwed by the company, them wanting more from us while purposely misinterpreting the agreed upon language in the contract. He vowed not to let them do it again. I believe him. I trust him.
Everyone on here is getting spun up over unsubstantiated rumors. We are in the final stretch. Unity matters now more than ever. When we get our say, we will. If that means sending back a TA with the words NO CONCESSIONS stamped on top of it, we will.
With that being said, I am saying it’s not fair now for us to collectively tell the NC no concessions when we didn’t poll that way initially — or at least I don’t think we did.
If we get a turd TA served up to us, vote accordingly. I’m choosing my words there carefully so as to not get us in any trouble.
How many on here have been to your LEC meetings and participated? Unless I am flying I attend every single event. During the past years I’ve been to almost every event. Yes I live in the local area.
At one of the meetings, PM was there and he gave a rather passionate speech. He mentioned being sick and tired of getting screwed by the company, them wanting more from us while purposely misinterpreting the agreed upon language in the contract. He vowed not to let them do it again. I believe him. I trust him.
Everyone on here is getting spun up over unsubstantiated rumors. We are in the final stretch. Unity matters now more than ever. When we get our say, we will. If that means sending back a TA with the words NO CONCESSIONS stamped on top of it, we will.
01-16-2023, 01:14 PM
#36
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Negotiations should begin with fully retroactive inflation adjustments to compensation (pay and retirement) as a non-negotiable baseline. This should be written into every contract going forward. We should NEVER be in a position to horse-trade our way back-up to a real income equivalent to that of a previous contract.
01-16-2023, 01:53 PM
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Negotiations should begin with fully retroactive inflation adjustments to compensation (pay and retirement) as a non-negotiable baseline. This should be written into every contract going forward. We should NEVER be in a position to horse-trade our way back-up to a real income equivalent to that of a previous contract.
01-16-2023, 04:40 PM
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01-16-2023, 04:47 PM
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I word searched “no concessions”. Yes, Pinseeker said it back in 2021, the earliest reference I could find. Maybe everyone has been thinking it all along? It just seems to be the talk of the town ever since DAL’s AIP came out.
With that being said, I am saying it’s not fair now for us to collectively tell the NC no concessions when we didn’t poll that way initially — or at least I don’t think we did.
If we get a turd TA served up to us, vote accordingly. I’m choosing my words there carefully so as to not get us in any trouble.
How many on here have been to your LEC meetings and participated? Unless I am flying I attend every single event. During the past years I’ve been to almost every event. Yes I live in the local area.
At one of the meetings, PM was there and he gave a rather passionate speech. He mentioned being sick and tired of getting screwed by the company, them wanting more from us while purposely misinterpreting the agreed upon language in the contract. He vowed not to let them do it again. I believe him. I trust him.
Everyone on here is getting spun up over unsubstantiated rumors. We are in the final stretch. Unity matters now more than ever. When we get our say, we will. If that means sending back a TA with the words NO CONCESSIONS stamped on top of it, we will.
With that being said, I am saying it’s not fair now for us to collectively tell the NC no concessions when we didn’t poll that way initially — or at least I don’t think we did.
If we get a turd TA served up to us, vote accordingly. I’m choosing my words there carefully so as to not get us in any trouble.
How many on here have been to your LEC meetings and participated? Unless I am flying I attend every single event. During the past years I’ve been to almost every event. Yes I live in the local area.
At one of the meetings, PM was there and he gave a rather passionate speech. He mentioned being sick and tired of getting screwed by the company, them wanting more from us while purposely misinterpreting the agreed upon language in the contract. He vowed not to let them do it again. I believe him. I trust him.
Everyone on here is getting spun up over unsubstantiated rumors. We are in the final stretch. Unity matters now more than ever. When we get our say, we will. If that means sending back a TA with the words NO CONCESSIONS stamped on top of it, we will.
01-16-2023, 05:37 PM
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Okay, I understand what you are saying. But the land shifted dramatically when DALPA published their AIP bullet points. It’s like any other negotiation, nothing is sealed until the contract is signed. Same with a mortgage. If you wait, the interest rate can go up and the bank makes more money on you. This is no different but I suppose we will have to vote it down in order to eliminate any concessions, assuming there are any.
Are bullet points contract language?
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