Nightflyer

Quoted for truth.

bitwiser

​​​​​​​Well said. I'm willing to wait it out to get the gains that we deserve. If it means starting the whole process over, so be it. No more kicking the can down the road. And more importantly, NO CONCESSIONS!

StarClipper

My VOTE to use as I please. You can settle for less if you like. It’s you vote you choice. And yes I’m will to wait as long as it takes. NO CONCESSIONS

threeighteen

this is not true in any shape or form.

BrianH

The fact that we have this much concern for our NC team and their actions speak volumes. There is so much hidden behind the curtain and the fact that times have changed in our favor because other unions have demanded higher pay rates has made our negotiations look questionable. Our team has excepted concessions during this round. Our NC chair has said as much. Our pay rate ask has been very low. When the NC chair tells us to not look at the Delta AIP, but instead look at the Alaska TA, we are in trouble and he knows it. After saying our focus is to raise our FAE as the mechanism to improve our Pension, and now saying look at our TA in whole and not to look at any one section scares me. What is he concerned about?

I will read the entire TA, I will do the math. I will then let everyone I know how I voted.


As for no concessions, Take a look at the bidpacks, we have already given back far more than we can claw back this round ( Takeoffs and landing, duty periods, shortened layovers, more days of work at the same credit hours, etc.). How about our healthcare? See any degradation? How about our awesome secondary system? Any give backs there? It goes on and on.

In fact we have been giving back since contract '15 started to get implemented. We have given back a lot. It is time to GET back, not give back.

And No I don't want Delta's AIP or TA in full. YES I want to cherry pick the things that help our pilots. Remember the company wanted to cherry pick the items that favored them. That is just how this works. Anyone who does not want to work too hard will revert to the same old arguments. Rinse, repeat. And anyone who supports LESS for our pilots is not our friend. And for anyone who talks about the time cost of money, remind them we will be getting it all back at the higher rate as part of our signing bonus. Yes it will be a bit delayed, but we will be getting a lot more money and who doesn't want a lot more money.

Stay strong, hold our elected leader accountable and settle for nothing but the best TA. The best pay rates, the IRS limits for our Pension, the best vacation, the best work rules, the best healthcare, the best everything. Period.

PurpleToolBox

As he should. You’re putting him in a tough position. The NC isn’t going to go back and open up TAd material because there could be a concession in it. This talk of no concessions started with Delta’s AIP which is nothing until it gets written in contractual TA language. If you don’t like what our union and FedEx come up with in a TA, vote accordingly. Yelling NO CONCESSIONS at this point of the game isn’t fair.

Galley Slave

Unfortunately history has demonstrated that a 50+1 majority of our pilots will not read past section 3.

PurpleToolBox

It's worse than that. Even with pilots who did read it telling others "don't vote for it here's why...", they won't listen. Then they'll be on JetFlyers four years from now asking, "when did blah blah blah in the contract get changed?????"

Two weeks before the TA vote closes, go into the AOC during a hub turn and look at what's on everyone's iPad/computer. If they're watching TV/sports or looking at a release, it's a no. If they're looking at their next boat, plane, truck, car, gun, home edition etc.etc., it's a yes.

StarClipper

Ive said NO CONCESSIONS from the start. And why would they have accepted any concessions after all we’ve been through over the last 3 years. I always said contract enhancements. And yes if it means opening up TA’d sections then so be it, they shouldn’t have accepted concessions in the first place. I have time, I’ll wait.
Talking about what’s fair, it’s not fair that the TA’d any sections with concessions.

Sluggo_63

This is what cracks me up about this pilot group. Delta's NC puts out a comm that says "NO CONCESSIONS" and 90% of the people here are looking at them with awe. If our NC put out a comm with "NO CONCESSIONS," they're just doing a "sell job." How do we know that the Delta "NO CONCESSIONS" isn't a sell job by their NC? The fact that it only passed their representative vote 9/8 means that perhaps it's not as great as their NC comm makes it out to be.

I, for one, will read the entire TA. Even if I come across something that may seem like a concession at first, I'll keep reading. I'll listen to the comms from the NC, the reps, and yes, even my fellow crewmembers who are undoubtedly 99% smarter than I. Then I'll make a decision and vote.