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Old 01-07-2023, 09:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Nightflyer
Our NC gave up FC deadheads in the last contract, and they were so stupid, they did not even realize they did it, in spite of multiple people point it out to them.

Read any TA carefully. Listen to the people who give opposing views. Those views, over the past 25 years, have been remarkably correct.

Be ready and willing to vote no.
Did we have that language on the last contract? If we did have that language, then why would we spend bargaining capital to negotiate it?

You state the negative Nancy’s have been correct however, we have continued to lead the industry in almost every area. This proves you and the negative Nancy’s were wrong.
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Old 01-07-2023, 10:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Noworkallplay
Did we have that language on the last contract? If we did have that language, then why would we spend bargaining capital to negotiate it?

You state the negative Nancy’s have been correct however, we have continued to lead the industry in almost every area. This proves you and the negative Nancy’s were wrong.
Why would we spend bargaining capital to negotiate anything? To make it better. Why else? Should we be stuck with all current language because it was negotiated before? You make no sense. Also, reference all the contract comparison documents. We are no longer leading in almost every area. Regardless, for what we do, we should lead in absolutely everything without any argument. Don’t tell me you disagree.
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Old 01-08-2023, 02:52 AM
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So there will be zero hiring until AFTER May? If this is correct there won’t be any new blood on the bid list until what, around September? That’s a long time for a new hire to wait these days. It’ll be interesting. Guessing some will jump ship in the meantime. An outdated contract and zero movement is not the recipe for retention in today’s market.
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Old 01-08-2023, 04:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Gilligan13
I’m not sure how UPS got schedule optimizer by the pilot group. I’ve heard that long layovers are a thing of the past. 24 hours max unless it’s a weekend.
I know you don’t want non-FX guys posting here but…

1. Is there any contract out there that dictates what pairing creation software a company uses? AFAIK, optimizer is a JEPP product that almost every airline has incorporated. Optimized schedules are all contractual.

2. On the intl front, we have a lot more 24hr l/o’s but it’s not 100%. Still get the longer ones, weekend or not, just a lot less.
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Old 01-08-2023, 05:13 AM
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Originally Posted by FXLAX
Why would we spend bargaining capital to negotiate anything? To make it better. Why else? Should we be stuck with all current language because it was negotiated before? You make no sense. Also, reference all the contract comparison documents. We are no longer leading in almost every area. Regardless, for what we do, we should lead in absolutely everything without any argument. Don’t tell me you disagree.
We do lag in some ares. Let’s focus on those and improve them. We also lead in many areas. Vacation, min per day, retirement, etc. Let’s be honest about what we lead in so we focus on the right things.


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Old 01-08-2023, 06:44 AM
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Not to hijack a thread, but it’s in line with buyers remorse. Some friends and I were talking about what our careeer paths would have looked like had we been hired by purple or brown. Out of curiosity, approximately what date of hire would someone need to have to be a captain flying exclusively daytime trips?
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Old 01-08-2023, 08:01 AM
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After perusing the February bidpack, I think I'd tell anyone with less than 2-3 years on property to get their Delta app in. Delta only, I wouldn't leave for anywhere else. That said, I think FDX had better prepare to start running a crew bus to ATL for all the guys that will jump ship. This is the post-Fred FDX that I always thought/feared/predicted. All of the old tropes about staying up all night and cargo not being a worthwhile option, while not previously true at FDX, probably will be soon.
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Old 01-08-2023, 08:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Noworkallplay
We do lag in some ares. Let’s focus on those and improve them. We also lead in many areas. Vacation, min per day, retirement, etc. Let’s be honest about what we lead in so we focus on the right things.


Heading to the islands for vacation. I will be out for at least a week. Peace!
Great! I’m glad you changed your mind that we should spend negotiating capital where it’s needed, regardless of the bargaining history of those specific items. But also want to point out an inaccuracy, MPDP-1 greatly lags. Sometimes one’s sincerely held honesty disagrees with other’s. So it’s not black and white to say we should be honest about what we lead in. Which leads to what I said earlier, if you believe, like I do, that because what we do that we should lead in everything (not just retirement and vacation), then almost all items eventually need to be improved.
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Old 01-08-2023, 08:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Merle Haggard
After perusing the February bidpack, I think I'd tell anyone with less than 2-3 years on property to get their Delta app in. Delta only, I wouldn't leave for anywhere else. That said, I think FDX had better prepare to start running a crew bus to ATL for all the guys that will jump ship. This is the post-Fred FDX that I always thought/feared/predicted. All of the old tropes about staying up all night and cargo not being a worthwhile option, while not previously true at FDX, probably will be soon.
5 months ago a I was sitting in class learning how to be a leader. The chatter from the teacher and a captain on the hiring committee was the company was looking to add 1000 more pilots to the list. Today, we’re buying up nearly half the lines in my base. I get it, inflation is running amok, recession, but none of the other logistic carriers are slamming on the brakes like we are. The company is going to cry poverty and I’m increasingly convinced this first TA will be voted down by large margins. We’re years to go to the next contract.

The whole point of this job is to get on and get yourself off the bottom as fast as possible. At this time, all the legacy’s are offering that plus international wide body if that’s what you want. FedEx is offering less pay, reserve, and three leg nights on a 757.

For twenty years, this was the best and sometimes the only option out there. Today, FedEx is about to have a head on collision with the wall of reality. She ain’t the bell of the ball anymore and probably won’t be again for years or ever.
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Old 01-08-2023, 10:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Topgum
So there will be zero hiring until AFTER May? If this is correct there won’t be any new blood on the bid list until what, around September?
There is currently a pool of interviewees from the last couple months of 2022 that is waiting to start in classes, so there will be "new blood on the list" as soon as those poolies show up and get employee numbers on day one.
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