Buyer's remorse??
02-19-2023, 12:35 AM
#502
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Posts: 2,140
02-19-2023, 03:24 AM
#503
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Joined APC: Jan 2023
Posts: 115
Let’s return this thread to it’s intended purpose.
When comparing how a person is going to spend the next 20-40 years of their career are the jobs equal?
Because of the nature of the unionized airline business, pilots take job comparisons far too personally. Purple pilots in particular seem to take anyone questioning their job, and it is just a job, more personally than most other commercial pilots. Perhaps it’s an ego thing, we aren’t the pilots parading through the terminal with throngs of onlooking admirers, so we must convince ourselves that we are still relevant and equal. Let’s ignore the reality that so many’s insecurities are rooted in false realities.
Let us look at the reality shall we…
Purple pilots have hung their hats on the idea that we don’t bid monthly schedules with PBS. The fear of PBS is a boogeyman in the closet. The fear is based on an overactive imagination. Nearly a quarter of purple pilots get their schedules via PBS every month, in the last week of the month. Purple pilots enjoy industry leading vacation, barely. There are many ways to use vacation, and the PBS scare tactic is a text book straw man fallacy. Give up meaningful gains by protecting status quo through fear of PBS.
Purple pilots don’t deal with the traveling public and flight attendants… Seriously? The most senior trips at Purple involve spending a lot of time in airports and dealing with the traveling public. If you can’t deal with the public, look in the mirror.
Purple pilots have a pension…. Great benefit. Unfortunately to increase this benefit, not protect it, the union that represents purple pilots is prepared to forgo any meaningful quality of life gains, and in fact concede QOL language so that the very pilots who have enjoyed QOL can pull the ladder up behind them.
Let’s look at some very basic comparisons:
Duty day. Passenger airline pilots are often, not always, relieved of the tough call on fatigue because they are protected by schedules based on science and regulated by Part 117 rules. Purple runs out of sleep rooms every week night while the pilots fly back side of the clock. Flying for purple means you’ll work nights, the worst nights aren’t protected from a regulatory standpoint.
Reserve: purple, one hour callout. Memphis area crashpad. The rest of the industry…
System bidding: Purple pilots are subjected to the most restrictive position advancement in the industry, period. Purple pilots are subjected to the most different QOL between junior and senior and the most restrictive language to progress with your seniority in the industry. Years of middle of the night flying while junior pilots enjoy day time and international is the reality. Period.
Commutability: Don’t get sucked in. “All purple trips are commutable.” Purple pilots commute to work the day before and commute home on their day off more than any pilots in the industry. That day off commute home, go sit in the jumpseat lounge and see how healthy that looks.
Pay: for all of the shortfalls mentioned above, purple pilots receive average or below average pay rates.
Purple isn’t hiring so this thread is somewhat moot. I suggest the following, why would you come to purple? Don’t get sucked in by pilots who have an ego telling you to come here. Don’t get sucked in by pilots telling you that passenger airlines aren’t stable. The consolidation in the last 10 years has made the big 3+ too big to fail. The passenger airlines are retiring more pilots and they offer far better QOL.
I’m a purple pilot. The company I work for has lost its way. I can’t let my ego steer future pilots away from a long a healthy career because my feelings are hurt in some silly comparison.
It I had a child that was competitive in the major 121 job market, I would suggest purple as a last resort. What does that say for current purple pilots? We deserve better. We deserve better treatment from our Union. We deserve better treatment from our employer. We must be honest about where we are in the industry. The time is now to make it right. The hardest work deserves the best. Period
When comparing how a person is going to spend the next 20-40 years of their career are the jobs equal?
Because of the nature of the unionized airline business, pilots take job comparisons far too personally. Purple pilots in particular seem to take anyone questioning their job, and it is just a job, more personally than most other commercial pilots. Perhaps it’s an ego thing, we aren’t the pilots parading through the terminal with throngs of onlooking admirers, so we must convince ourselves that we are still relevant and equal. Let’s ignore the reality that so many’s insecurities are rooted in false realities.
Let us look at the reality shall we…
Purple pilots have hung their hats on the idea that we don’t bid monthly schedules with PBS. The fear of PBS is a boogeyman in the closet. The fear is based on an overactive imagination. Nearly a quarter of purple pilots get their schedules via PBS every month, in the last week of the month. Purple pilots enjoy industry leading vacation, barely. There are many ways to use vacation, and the PBS scare tactic is a text book straw man fallacy. Give up meaningful gains by protecting status quo through fear of PBS.
Purple pilots don’t deal with the traveling public and flight attendants… Seriously? The most senior trips at Purple involve spending a lot of time in airports and dealing with the traveling public. If you can’t deal with the public, look in the mirror.
Purple pilots have a pension…. Great benefit. Unfortunately to increase this benefit, not protect it, the union that represents purple pilots is prepared to forgo any meaningful quality of life gains, and in fact concede QOL language so that the very pilots who have enjoyed QOL can pull the ladder up behind them.
Let’s look at some very basic comparisons:
Duty day. Passenger airline pilots are often, not always, relieved of the tough call on fatigue because they are protected by schedules based on science and regulated by Part 117 rules. Purple runs out of sleep rooms every week night while the pilots fly back side of the clock. Flying for purple means you’ll work nights, the worst nights aren’t protected from a regulatory standpoint.
Reserve: purple, one hour callout. Memphis area crashpad. The rest of the industry…
System bidding: Purple pilots are subjected to the most restrictive position advancement in the industry, period. Purple pilots are subjected to the most different QOL between junior and senior and the most restrictive language to progress with your seniority in the industry. Years of middle of the night flying while junior pilots enjoy day time and international is the reality. Period.
Commutability: Don’t get sucked in. “All purple trips are commutable.” Purple pilots commute to work the day before and commute home on their day off more than any pilots in the industry. That day off commute home, go sit in the jumpseat lounge and see how healthy that looks.
Pay: for all of the shortfalls mentioned above, purple pilots receive average or below average pay rates.
Purple isn’t hiring so this thread is somewhat moot. I suggest the following, why would you come to purple? Don’t get sucked in by pilots who have an ego telling you to come here. Don’t get sucked in by pilots telling you that passenger airlines aren’t stable. The consolidation in the last 10 years has made the big 3+ too big to fail. The passenger airlines are retiring more pilots and they offer far better QOL.
I’m a purple pilot. The company I work for has lost its way. I can’t let my ego steer future pilots away from a long a healthy career because my feelings are hurt in some silly comparison.
It I had a child that was competitive in the major 121 job market, I would suggest purple as a last resort. What does that say for current purple pilots? We deserve better. We deserve better treatment from our Union. We deserve better treatment from our employer. We must be honest about where we are in the industry. The time is now to make it right. The hardest work deserves the best. Period
02-19-2023, 09:17 AM
#504
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Joined APC: Jun 2017
Posts: 41
That in itself was shocking enough, but what really astounded me was the amount of people who found it completely justifiable. That somehow the pilot in question deserved to get fired and lose their benefits early due to a lack of commitment shown by the PRIA request from Delta. I don't want to be hyperbolic but some of the thought process is almost cult like in how they talk about people leaving here. As if somehow they have betrayed the trust of our company by daring to find another job that is a better fit. Or like they got caught cheating in a marriage. Maybe it's just me but it seems strange.
02-19-2023, 09:17 AM
#505
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Apr 2021
Posts: 108
Let’s return this thread to it’s intended purpose.
When comparing how a person is going to spend the next 20-40 years of their career are the jobs equal?
Because of the nature of the unionized airline business, pilots take job comparisons far too personally. Purple pilots in particular seem to take anyone questioning their job, and it is just a job, more personally than most other commercial pilots. Perhaps it’s an ego thing, we aren’t the pilots parading through the terminal with throngs of onlooking admirers, so we must convince ourselves that we are still relevant and equal. Let’s ignore the reality that so many’s insecurities are rooted in false realities.
Let us look at the reality shall we…
Purple pilots have hung their hats on the idea that we don’t bid monthly schedules with PBS. The fear of PBS is a boogeyman in the closet. The fear is based on an overactive imagination. Nearly a quarter of purple pilots get their schedules via PBS every month, in the last week of the month. Purple pilots enjoy industry leading vacation, barely. There are many ways to use vacation, and the PBS scare tactic is a text book straw man fallacy. Give up meaningful gains by protecting status quo through fear of PBS.
Purple pilots don’t deal with the traveling public and flight attendants… Seriously? The most senior trips at Purple involve spending a lot of time in airports and dealing with the traveling public. If you can’t deal with the public, look in the mirror.
Purple pilots have a pension…. Great benefit. Unfortunately to increase this benefit, not protect it, the union that represents purple pilots is prepared to forgo any meaningful quality of life gains, and in fact concede QOL language so that the very pilots who have enjoyed QOL can pull the ladder up behind them.
Let’s look at some very basic comparisons:
Duty day. Passenger airline pilots are often, not always, relieved of the tough call on fatigue because they are protected by schedules based on science and regulated by Part 117 rules. Purple runs out of sleep rooms every week night while the pilots fly back side of the clock. Flying for purple means you’ll work nights, the worst nights aren’t protected from a regulatory standpoint.
Reserve: purple, one hour callout. Memphis area crashpad. The rest of the industry…
System bidding: Purple pilots are subjected to the most restrictive position advancement in the industry, period. Purple pilots are subjected to the most different QOL between junior and senior and the most restrictive language to progress with your seniority in the industry. Years of middle of the night flying while junior pilots enjoy day time and international is the reality. Period.
Commutability: Don’t get sucked in. “All purple trips are commutable.” Purple pilots commute to work the day before and commute home on their day off more than any pilots in the industry. That day off commute home, go sit in the jumpseat lounge and see how healthy that looks.
Pay: for all of the shortfalls mentioned above, purple pilots receive average or below average pay rates.
Purple isn’t hiring so this thread is somewhat moot. I suggest the following, why would you come to purple? Don’t get sucked in by pilots who have an ego telling you to come here. Don’t get sucked in by pilots telling you that passenger airlines aren’t stable. The consolidation in the last 10 years has made the big 3+ too big to fail. The passenger airlines are retiring more pilots and they offer far better QOL.
I’m a purple pilot. The company I work for has lost its way. I can’t let my ego steer future pilots away from a long a healthy career because my feelings are hurt in some silly comparison.
It I had a child that was competitive in the major 121 job market, I would suggest purple as a last resort. What does that say for current purple pilots? We deserve better. We deserve better treatment from our Union. We deserve better treatment from our employer. We must be honest about where we are in the industry. The time is now to make it right. The hardest work deserves the best. Period
When comparing how a person is going to spend the next 20-40 years of their career are the jobs equal?
Because of the nature of the unionized airline business, pilots take job comparisons far too personally. Purple pilots in particular seem to take anyone questioning their job, and it is just a job, more personally than most other commercial pilots. Perhaps it’s an ego thing, we aren’t the pilots parading through the terminal with throngs of onlooking admirers, so we must convince ourselves that we are still relevant and equal. Let’s ignore the reality that so many’s insecurities are rooted in false realities.
Let us look at the reality shall we…
Purple pilots have hung their hats on the idea that we don’t bid monthly schedules with PBS. The fear of PBS is a boogeyman in the closet. The fear is based on an overactive imagination. Nearly a quarter of purple pilots get their schedules via PBS every month, in the last week of the month. Purple pilots enjoy industry leading vacation, barely. There are many ways to use vacation, and the PBS scare tactic is a text book straw man fallacy. Give up meaningful gains by protecting status quo through fear of PBS.
Purple pilots don’t deal with the traveling public and flight attendants… Seriously? The most senior trips at Purple involve spending a lot of time in airports and dealing with the traveling public. If you can’t deal with the public, look in the mirror.
Purple pilots have a pension…. Great benefit. Unfortunately to increase this benefit, not protect it, the union that represents purple pilots is prepared to forgo any meaningful quality of life gains, and in fact concede QOL language so that the very pilots who have enjoyed QOL can pull the ladder up behind them.
Let’s look at some very basic comparisons:
Duty day. Passenger airline pilots are often, not always, relieved of the tough call on fatigue because they are protected by schedules based on science and regulated by Part 117 rules. Purple runs out of sleep rooms every week night while the pilots fly back side of the clock. Flying for purple means you’ll work nights, the worst nights aren’t protected from a regulatory standpoint.
Reserve: purple, one hour callout. Memphis area crashpad. The rest of the industry…
System bidding: Purple pilots are subjected to the most restrictive position advancement in the industry, period. Purple pilots are subjected to the most different QOL between junior and senior and the most restrictive language to progress with your seniority in the industry. Years of middle of the night flying while junior pilots enjoy day time and international is the reality. Period.
Commutability: Don’t get sucked in. “All purple trips are commutable.” Purple pilots commute to work the day before and commute home on their day off more than any pilots in the industry. That day off commute home, go sit in the jumpseat lounge and see how healthy that looks.
Pay: for all of the shortfalls mentioned above, purple pilots receive average or below average pay rates.
Purple isn’t hiring so this thread is somewhat moot. I suggest the following, why would you come to purple? Don’t get sucked in by pilots who have an ego telling you to come here. Don’t get sucked in by pilots telling you that passenger airlines aren’t stable. The consolidation in the last 10 years has made the big 3+ too big to fail. The passenger airlines are retiring more pilots and they offer far better QOL.
I’m a purple pilot. The company I work for has lost its way. I can’t let my ego steer future pilots away from a long a healthy career because my feelings are hurt in some silly comparison.
It I had a child that was competitive in the major 121 job market, I would suggest purple as a last resort. What does that say for current purple pilots? We deserve better. We deserve better treatment from our Union. We deserve better treatment from our employer. We must be honest about where we are in the industry. The time is now to make it right. The hardest work deserves the best. Period
02-19-2023, 09:26 AM
#506
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Apr 2021
Posts: 108
That in itself was shocking enough, but what really astounded me was the amount of people who found it completely justifiable. That somehow the pilot in question deserved to get fired and lose their benefits early due to a lack of commitment shown by the PRIA request from Delta. I don't want to be hyperbolic but some of the thought process is almost cult like in how they talk about people leaving here. As if somehow they have betrayed the trust of our company by daring to find another job that is a better fit. Or like they got caught cheating in a marriage. Maybe it's just me but it seems strange.
02-19-2023, 09:33 AM
#507
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Feb 2013
Posts: 641
Let’s return this thread to it’s intended purpose.
When comparing how a person is going to spend the next 20-40 years of their career are the jobs equal?
Because of the nature of the unionized airline business, pilots take job comparisons far too personally. Purple pilots in particular seem to take anyone questioning their job, and it is just a job, more personally than most other commercial pilots. Perhaps it’s an ego thing, we aren’t the pilots parading through the terminal with throngs of onlooking admirers, so we must convince ourselves that we are still relevant and equal. Let’s ignore the reality that so many’s insecurities are rooted in false realities.
Let us look at the reality shall we…
Purple pilots have hung their hats on the idea that we don’t bid monthly schedules with PBS. The fear of PBS is a boogeyman in the closet. The fear is based on an overactive imagination. Nearly a quarter of purple pilots get their schedules via PBS every month, in the last week of the month. Purple pilots enjoy industry leading vacation, barely. There are many ways to use vacation, and the PBS scare tactic is a text book straw man fallacy. Give up meaningful gains by protecting status quo through fear of PBS.
Purple pilots don’t deal with the traveling public and flight attendants… Seriously? The most senior trips at Purple involve spending a lot of time in airports and dealing with the traveling public. If you can’t deal with the public, look in the mirror.
Purple pilots have a pension…. Great benefit. Unfortunately to increase this benefit, not protect it, the union that represents purple pilots is prepared to forgo any meaningful quality of life gains, and in fact concede QOL language so that the very pilots who have enjoyed QOL can pull the ladder up behind them.
Let’s look at some very basic comparisons:
Duty day. Passenger airline pilots are often, not always, relieved of the tough call on fatigue because they are protected by schedules based on science and regulated by Part 117 rules. Purple runs out of sleep rooms every week night while the pilots fly back side of the clock. Flying for purple means you’ll work nights, the worst nights aren’t protected from a regulatory standpoint.
Reserve: purple, one hour callout. Memphis area crashpad. The rest of the industry…
System bidding: Purple pilots are subjected to the most restrictive position advancement in the industry, period. Purple pilots are subjected to the most different QOL between junior and senior and the most restrictive language to progress with your seniority in the industry. Years of middle of the night flying while junior pilots enjoy day time and international is the reality. Period.
Commutability: Don’t get sucked in. “All purple trips are commutable.” Purple pilots commute to work the day before and commute home on their day off more than any pilots in the industry. That day off commute home, go sit in the jumpseat lounge and see how healthy that looks.
Pay: for all of the shortfalls mentioned above, purple pilots receive average or below average pay rates.
Purple isn’t hiring so this thread is somewhat moot. I suggest the following, why would you come to purple? Don’t get sucked in by pilots who have an ego telling you to come here. Don’t get sucked in by pilots telling you that passenger airlines aren’t stable. The consolidation in the last 10 years has made the big 3+ too big to fail. The passenger airlines are retiring more pilots and they offer far better QOL.
I’m a purple pilot. The company I work for has lost its way. I can’t let my ego steer future pilots away from a long a healthy career because my feelings are hurt in some silly comparison.
It I had a child that was competitive in the major 121 job market, I would suggest purple as a last resort. What does that say for current purple pilots? We deserve better. We deserve better treatment from our Union. We deserve better treatment from our employer. We must be honest about where we are in the industry. The time is now to make it right. The hardest work deserves the best. Period
When comparing how a person is going to spend the next 20-40 years of their career are the jobs equal?
Because of the nature of the unionized airline business, pilots take job comparisons far too personally. Purple pilots in particular seem to take anyone questioning their job, and it is just a job, more personally than most other commercial pilots. Perhaps it’s an ego thing, we aren’t the pilots parading through the terminal with throngs of onlooking admirers, so we must convince ourselves that we are still relevant and equal. Let’s ignore the reality that so many’s insecurities are rooted in false realities.
Let us look at the reality shall we…
Purple pilots have hung their hats on the idea that we don’t bid monthly schedules with PBS. The fear of PBS is a boogeyman in the closet. The fear is based on an overactive imagination. Nearly a quarter of purple pilots get their schedules via PBS every month, in the last week of the month. Purple pilots enjoy industry leading vacation, barely. There are many ways to use vacation, and the PBS scare tactic is a text book straw man fallacy. Give up meaningful gains by protecting status quo through fear of PBS.
Purple pilots don’t deal with the traveling public and flight attendants… Seriously? The most senior trips at Purple involve spending a lot of time in airports and dealing with the traveling public. If you can’t deal with the public, look in the mirror.
Purple pilots have a pension…. Great benefit. Unfortunately to increase this benefit, not protect it, the union that represents purple pilots is prepared to forgo any meaningful quality of life gains, and in fact concede QOL language so that the very pilots who have enjoyed QOL can pull the ladder up behind them.
Let’s look at some very basic comparisons:
Duty day. Passenger airline pilots are often, not always, relieved of the tough call on fatigue because they are protected by schedules based on science and regulated by Part 117 rules. Purple runs out of sleep rooms every week night while the pilots fly back side of the clock. Flying for purple means you’ll work nights, the worst nights aren’t protected from a regulatory standpoint.
Reserve: purple, one hour callout. Memphis area crashpad. The rest of the industry…
System bidding: Purple pilots are subjected to the most restrictive position advancement in the industry, period. Purple pilots are subjected to the most different QOL between junior and senior and the most restrictive language to progress with your seniority in the industry. Years of middle of the night flying while junior pilots enjoy day time and international is the reality. Period.
Commutability: Don’t get sucked in. “All purple trips are commutable.” Purple pilots commute to work the day before and commute home on their day off more than any pilots in the industry. That day off commute home, go sit in the jumpseat lounge and see how healthy that looks.
Pay: for all of the shortfalls mentioned above, purple pilots receive average or below average pay rates.
Purple isn’t hiring so this thread is somewhat moot. I suggest the following, why would you come to purple? Don’t get sucked in by pilots who have an ego telling you to come here. Don’t get sucked in by pilots telling you that passenger airlines aren’t stable. The consolidation in the last 10 years has made the big 3+ too big to fail. The passenger airlines are retiring more pilots and they offer far better QOL.
I’m a purple pilot. The company I work for has lost its way. I can’t let my ego steer future pilots away from a long a healthy career because my feelings are hurt in some silly comparison.
It I had a child that was competitive in the major 121 job market, I would suggest purple as a last resort. What does that say for current purple pilots? We deserve better. We deserve better treatment from our Union. We deserve better treatment from our employer. We must be honest about where we are in the industry. The time is now to make it right. The hardest work deserves the best. Period
02-19-2023, 09:34 AM
#508
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Nov 2017
Position: Wichita
Posts: 736
IMO it's one of the biggest problems with this place. People constantly just make excuses as if this company is infallible. If you can't even recognize the issues, how do you fix them? When I quit my legacy I had a very good interaction with my manager, and my experience is consistent with the stories of the other pilots here who did the same at the others. I haven't even heard of this kind of thing happening at the regionals, definitely not at mine, which was definitely one of the toxic ones.
This is the same place that if you mention that we have too many crews flying fatigued you get hit with the “well I used to fly 12 hour missions in a fighter no problems”.. Ok, cool story bro but FDX isn’t at war and flight ops doesn’t hand out amphetamines and bags to **** in. The amount of brainwashing that takes place here is overwhelming.
02-19-2023, 09:56 AM
#509
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Joined APC: Apr 2021
Posts: 108
This is the same place that if you mention that we have too many crews flying fatigued you get hit with the “well I used to fly 12 hour missions in a fighter no problems”.. Ok, cool story bro but FDX isn’t at war and flight ops doesn’t hand out amphetamines and bags to **** in. The amount of brainwashing that takes place here is overwhelming.
02-19-2023, 11:47 AM
#510
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Joined APC: Nov 2016
Posts: 147
Someone in JF said something along the lines of, I bet the guy going to Delta has never worked at another airline. Well, um, I'm pretty confident that's actually EXACTLY the reason they see the issues here. We're just lulled into mediocrity which is then somehow perceived as the greatest job in aviation.
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