Corned Beef

How you got bragging out of that post is beyond me.

CloudSailor

Exactly.

It is worth noting for those not here before our 2015 CBA that our pilot group, following the guidance of our union, voted away Passover Pay. POP served us much better than SDP. It was a better motivator ($) to the Corp. to train pilots to their awarded seat. Those who saw the severity of this concession clearly within the Union leadership, and the line guys as well, pointed it out to the NC and to the 2015TA die-hards who post on here and JF. But those guys - unfortunately, the majority - after being cattle-prodded during Road Shows just couldn't get past the mental masturbation of multiplying the new pay rates X 1000.

BluePAX

Yes, years. Source: me

And you only get the bonus payment (which doesn't really bring you up to true WB pay) when a new hire is being trained on your base and aircraft. So in peak season when there is no training? You get nothing. Also, did you forget to put in your training bid that you have to do every month? You get no penalty payment.

Grease

A full training course to go from the 757 to the 767? Can’t that be accomplished with a quick differences CBT?

opas76

Differences training, can be accomplished in a few days (since I’m already type rated).

PurpleToolBox

I tried and tried and tried to convince guys just how bad the new Section 24 would screw us over. Nobody listened. Loud Yes voters like Kronan drowned us out. They had no idea how much the company was going to screw us over with the new language.

Passover Pay not only paid you the higher pay rate for your BLG and any overages, it also paid the higher pay rate if you flew draft or volunteer; it increased the money going into your B-fund; if you do any office work it paid at the higher rate; vacation was worth more. POP touched everything. SDP, in the extreme rare cases when you actually qualify, doesn't come close. Now we have senior pilots stuck in the right seats of aircraft as the company hires directly into those seats and/or trains everyone out of seniority order. This was the biggest financial giveback and seniority abrogation in Contract 2015.

We wanted short monthly bids and the ability when to predict when we would go to training. Instead we got a more complicated system bid that takes years to train out (if ever), abrogates seniority while paying very little penalties to the crew force and makes knowing when you'll go to training more unknown.

This company still sends pilots who have sat years in the right seat of an aircraft through an entire long course for the same airplane upgrade to Captain. Wasteful. It should only be a day refresher for systems, then a couple of sims, then a type rating sim check, then two flights and a checkride. Why spend a week doing systems and another week doing procedures? You should already know them. So inefficient.

StarClipper

Totally agree with you. It’s wasn’t just Kronan, a few others on here were involved in giving sales speeches. I remember Albie was in full support. When I disagreed with him the masses jump down my throat like I crossed a line in the sand.

PurpleToolBox

Wow. He has a lot of influence in our military background crew force. No doubt his endorsement propelled TA 2015 over the finish line.

Anthrax

Facts. And in the aftermath, where did the co-authors of this section find themselves? hint: it wasn’t in a sleep room at two a.m.

CloudSailor

Yes, his endorsement absolutely had a significant impact on the vote. We need to learn from our fking mistakes and be ready for this to play out very similarly again.

Once the Corp. finally opens their wallet for pay rates, we will be told we have won. The TA will be sold to us by those who created it because of their personal attachment to it. The gains will be magnified and expounded on and the concessions will be hidden and willfully ignored. Then our guys who just can't get over the new payrates X1000 will be selling it themselves in the cockpit, on here, and JF. All the while not remembering that FS called the 2015CBA a 'cost neutral contract due to the efficiencies gained' (paraphrase) days after we voted Y. Our pay increased, but we gave up QOL items we will NEVER get back. The C-Suite laughed their asses off all the way to bank not believing that we fell for their first offer.

Not sure why but it seems we are particularily bad at negotiations at purple, when compared to most other airlines.