Buyer's remorse??
01-25-2023, 10:45 AM
#311
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They also said it was a significant issue that should be viewed from the two fronts for challenges and we should continue to invest in building those arguments. They said it didn’t survey high at all (basically at. The bottom of pilot priorities) this time around and there has been no shift in that through all of the surveys.
This is squarely a failure of the MEC. Scope is going to be an issue. Better to fix it before it is broken, but that ship has sailed. History will sharpen the focus, eventually.
01-25-2023, 03:28 PM
#312
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The NC explained that they took significant time to evaluate various items in Scope and that have new language which is more effective based on they current threats to pilot jobs.
They also said it was a significant issue that should be viewed from the two fronts for challenges and we should continue to invest in building those arguments. They said it didn’t survey high at all (basically at. The bottom of pilot priorities) this time around and there has been no shift in that through all of the surveys.
They also said it was a significant issue that should be viewed from the two fronts for challenges and we should continue to invest in building those arguments. They said it didn’t survey high at all (basically at. The bottom of pilot priorities) this time around and there has been no shift in that through all of the surveys.
01-25-2023, 04:18 PM
#313
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That’s a blatant lie. I was there and that’s not what was said. The NC and the new EVP spoke in depth about the issue.
The EVP who is also the Legislative Affairs Chairman said it’s a two pronged attack. Legislative is priority one and that there is big money behind the R&D side. That effort is ongoing and National is spending time and money to defend against it. The other side is regulatory and there is currently zero language to place in a contract that helps because it’s not defined in 121 or 117.
They explained that every aircraft on our ramp and every other carrier is CERTIFIED for a MINIMUM two pilot crew.
The NC explained that they took significant time to evaluate various items in Scope and that have new language which is more effective based on they current threats to pilot jobs.
They also said it was a significant issue that should be viewed from the two fronts for challenges and we should continue to invest in building those arguments. They said it didn’t survey high at all (basically at. The bottom of pilot priorities) this time around and there has been no shift in that through all of the surveys.
That’s a blatant lie. I was there and that’s not what was said. The NC and the new EVP spoke in depth about the issue.
The EVP who is also the Legislative Affairs Chairman said it’s a two pronged attack. Legislative is priority one and that there is big money behind the R&D side. That effort is ongoing and National is spending time and money to defend against it. The other side is regulatory and there is currently zero language to place in a contract that helps because it’s not defined in 121 or 117.
They explained that every aircraft on our ramp and every other carrier is CERTIFIED for a MINIMUM two pilot crew.
The NC explained that they took significant time to evaluate various items in Scope and that have new language which is more effective based on they current threats to pilot jobs.
They also said it was a significant issue that should be viewed from the two fronts for challenges and we should continue to invest in building those arguments. They said it didn’t survey high at all (basically at. The bottom of pilot priorities) this time around and there has been no shift in that through all of the surveys.
01-25-2023, 07:05 PM
#314
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Based on posts the only thing that matters is pay rates. How is Delta’s scope working? Hey they have pay rates though that the masses love, so to hell with everything else is in that darn PWA, says the loud crowd on JetFlyers and APC.
01-25-2023, 07:54 PM
#315
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What is in their new scope LOA? Are you saying our scope is better?
01-25-2023, 08:25 PM
#316
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That’s a blatant lie. I was there and that’s not what was said. The NC and the new EVP spoke in depth about the issue.
The EVP who is also the Legislative Affairs Chairman said it’s a two pronged attack. Legislative is priority one and that there is big money behind the R&D side. That effort is ongoing and National is spending time and money to defend against it. The other side is regulatory and there is currently zero language to place in a contract that helps because it’s not defined in 121 or 117.
They explained that every aircraft on our ramp and every other carrier is CERTIFIED for a MINIMUM two pilot crew.
The NC explained that they took significant time to evaluate various items in Scope and that have new language which is more effective based on they current threats to pilot jobs.
They also said it was a significant issue that should be viewed from the two fronts for challenges and we should continue to invest in building those arguments. They said it didn’t survey high at all (basically at. The bottom of pilot priorities) this time around and there has been no shift in that through all of the surveys.
That’s a blatant lie. I was there and that’s not what was said. The NC and the new EVP spoke in depth about the issue.
The EVP who is also the Legislative Affairs Chairman said it’s a two pronged attack. Legislative is priority one and that there is big money behind the R&D side. That effort is ongoing and National is spending time and money to defend against it. The other side is regulatory and there is currently zero language to place in a contract that helps because it’s not defined in 121 or 117.
They explained that every aircraft on our ramp and every other carrier is CERTIFIED for a MINIMUM two pilot crew.
The NC explained that they took significant time to evaluate various items in Scope and that have new language which is more effective based on they current threats to pilot jobs.
They also said it was a significant issue that should be viewed from the two fronts for challenges and we should continue to invest in building those arguments. They said it didn’t survey high at all (basically at. The bottom of pilot priorities) this time around and there has been no shift in that through all of the surveys.
We should have tackled more on scope on this contract. Next round it may be a lot harder and cost a lot more. But scope polled very low in the surveys so what to do? Now a lot of the other items that we decided to attack likely polled low as well but they were a lot easier to get than minimum pilots on a flight deck. There's reason why Delta ALPA added some scope language this time. I don't buy Secord's argument.
01-26-2023, 02:51 AM
#317
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we don’t have scope… so there’s that.
01-26-2023, 02:54 AM
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Yes, that’s exactly what I’m saying and the proof is in the pudding. Our international and widebody flying has grown. There’s has substantially reduced over the years. We get a penalty payment they don’t get anything. We fly a vast majority of our domestic cities. They fly a little over 50% of their domestic passengers.
01-26-2023, 03:31 AM
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Yes, that’s exactly what I’m saying and the proof is in the pudding. Our international and widebody flying has grown. There’s has substantially reduced over the years. We get a penalty payment they don’t get anything. We fly a vast majority of our domestic cities. They fly a little over 50% of their domestic passengers.
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