Buyer's remorse??
#231
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Aug 2022
Posts: 152
When reserve is properly staffed it does go fairly senior at FDX. Our reserve rules are not industry tops but definitely not industry bottom. Ask AA and UA. Move on. Start with asking about min days off……..
Quote every piece of the reserve rules of your previous regional to our reserve rules. I will wait. I love the broad open ended statement, Start with min days off. Then reserve guarantee. Then talk about pay and benefits of previous reserve gig. Follow it up with retirement and pay. GMAFB
I also want improvements but stop this ridiculous broad open ended comparison.
Quote every piece of the reserve rules of your previous regional to our reserve rules. I will wait. I love the broad open ended statement, Start with min days off. Then reserve guarantee. Then talk about pay and benefits of previous reserve gig. Follow it up with retirement and pay. GMAFB
I also want improvements but stop this ridiculous broad open ended comparison.
Last edited by schloppy1; 01-21-2023 at 10:24 PM.
#233
On Reserve
Joined APC: Jan 2023
Posts: 11
Also, reserves get hosed with our non punitive fatigue policy. If you're on RB and fly in from the west coast and land around 11 Memphis time and are given "legal rest" to fly the Sunday morning "RB" trip that shows at 0030 (completely flipping your sleep schedule, you just woke up 6 hrs ago), if you call in fatigued you now have a red block over your schedule for the footprint of that trip, the reserve hours are dropped, and you have to make them up. Meanwhile there could be plenty of other RB trips during that footprint you could easily operate, but now you've lost that pay and if you have additional reserve days after the footprint you might not be able to commute home...how exactly is that non punitive?
Last edited by MediocrePilot; 01-22-2023 at 06:04 AM.
#234
How about duty limits more restrictive than FARs and back in base by noon on last day of RA...things even the regionals have. It's absolutely ridiculous we can start reserve at midnight and be expected to go 16 hours.
Also, reserves get hosed with our non punitive fatigue policy. If you're on RB and fly in from the west coast and land around 11 Memphis time and are given "legal rest" to fly the Sunday morning "RB" trip that shows at 0030 (completely flipping your sleep schedule, you just woke up 6 hrs ago), if you call in fatigued you now have a red block over your schedule for the footprint of that trip, the reserve hours are dropped, and you have to make them up. Meanwhile there could be plenty of other RB trips during that footprint you could easily operate, but now you've lost that pay and if you have additional reserve days after the footprint you might not be able to commute home...how exactly is that non punitive?
Also, reserves get hosed with our non punitive fatigue policy. If you're on RB and fly in from the west coast and land around 11 Memphis time and are given "legal rest" to fly the Sunday morning "RB" trip that shows at 0030 (completely flipping your sleep schedule, you just woke up 6 hrs ago), if you call in fatigued you now have a red block over your schedule for the footprint of that trip, the reserve hours are dropped, and you have to make them up. Meanwhile there could be plenty of other RB trips during that footprint you could easily operate, but now you've lost that pay and if you have additional reserve days after the footprint you might not be able to commute home...how exactly is that non punitive?
#235
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jan 2019
Posts: 448
How about duty limits more restrictive than FARs and back in base by noon on last day of RA...things even the regionals have. It's absolutely ridiculous we can start reserve at midnight and be expected to go 16 hours.
Also, reserves get hosed with our non punitive fatigue policy. If you're on RB and fly in from the west coast and land around 11 Memphis time and are given "legal rest" to fly the Sunday morning "RB" trip that shows at 0030 (completely flipping your sleep schedule, you just woke up 6 hrs ago), if you call in fatigued you now have a red block over your schedule for the footprint of that trip, the reserve hours are dropped, and you have to make them up. Meanwhile there could be plenty of other RB trips during that footprint you could easily operate, but now you've lost that pay and if you have additional reserve days after the footprint you might not be able to commute home...how exactly is that non punitive?
Also, reserves get hosed with our non punitive fatigue policy. If you're on RB and fly in from the west coast and land around 11 Memphis time and are given "legal rest" to fly the Sunday morning "RB" trip that shows at 0030 (completely flipping your sleep schedule, you just woke up 6 hrs ago), if you call in fatigued you now have a red block over your schedule for the footprint of that trip, the reserve hours are dropped, and you have to make them up. Meanwhile there could be plenty of other RB trips during that footprint you could easily operate, but now you've lost that pay and if you have additional reserve days after the footprint you might not be able to commute home...how exactly is that non punitive?
#236
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Oct 2015
Posts: 752
Reserve Improvements
-Reserve is standard 15 hour callout. (DL is 18)
-Can pick up short call for premium over guarantee. (DL)
-Volunteering pays additional two hours over guarantee. (DL)
-Volunteer Airport Standby - Pays 8 hours (DL is 8:15)
-When sick on reserve, only charged for trips that you would have been assigned. Not for entire block of R-days. ( I think we have this, but there has been some confusion)
-Reserve assignment is based off of seniority and leveling hours only. Disregard days available to right size assignment. If used for right size, pay is on top of guarantee.
-Once a reserve trip is assigned, RA and RB get 12 hours off upon return. R24 gets 24 hours off. If an extension is given upon return, this is paid at 150%. (SWA)
-Reserve trips assigned upon return from previously scheduled RSV trip pay 150%. (SWA)
-Once trips have been assigned, all pay codes receive revision/disruption pay.
RSV gets premium over guarantee for reassignment.
-R-Day value is 5 hours.
-14 days off in 4 week month (UPS)
-17 days off in 5 week month
-No call in after trip for release. Just check schedule in VIPS.
-HTL STBY lines cannot be assigned off of reserve. A pairing must have operational flight legs. Cannot be just a hotel.
-Company can assign ⅓ of days available to short call reserve. (DL is 6 times a month)
#237
On Reserve
Joined APC: Jan 2023
Posts: 11
A financially punitive fatigue policy would look very bad for the company in the event of an accident. They would do everything possible to blame it on the pilot, sure, and there is some merit to that. Perhaps FSR's, DARTS, and contacting your reps would leave a paper trail and help get something changed? Just spitballing here
Depends on the scenario. In this case yes per 12.A.9.a
#238
On Reserve
Joined APC: Jan 2023
Posts: 11
A financially punitive fatigue policy would look very bad for the company in the event of an accident. They would do everything possible to blame it on the pilot, sure, and there is some merit to that. Perhaps FSR's, DARTS, and contacting your reps would leave a paper trail and help get something changed? Just spitballing here
Depends on the scenario. In this case yes per 12.A.9.a
#239
Line Holder
Joined APC: Jul 2017
Posts: 51
Reserve Improvements
-Reserve is standard 15 hour callout. (DL is 18)
-Can pick up short call for premium over guarantee. (DL)
-Volunteering pays additional two hours over guarantee. (DL)
-Volunteer Airport Standby - Pays 8 hours (DL is 8:15)
-When sick on reserve, only charged for trips that you would have been assigned. Not for entire block of R-days. ( I think we have this, but there has been some confusion)
-Reserve assignment is based off of seniority and leveling hours only. Disregard days available to right size assignment. If used for right size, pay is on top of guarantee.
-Once a reserve trip is assigned, RA and RB get 12 hours off upon return. R24 gets 24 hours off. If an extension is given upon return, this is paid at 150%. (SWA)
-Reserve trips assigned upon return from previously scheduled RSV trip pay 150%. (SWA)
-Once trips have been assigned, all pay codes receive revision/disruption pay.
RSV gets premium over guarantee for reassignment.
-R-Day value is 5 hours.
-14 days off in 4 week month (UPS)
-17 days off in 5 week month
-No call in after trip for release. Just check schedule in VIPS.
-HTL STBY lines cannot be assigned off of reserve. A pairing must have operational flight legs. Cannot be just a hotel.
-Company can assign ⅓ of days available to short call reserve. (DL is 6 times a month)
-Reserve is standard 15 hour callout. (DL is 18)
-Can pick up short call for premium over guarantee. (DL)
-Volunteering pays additional two hours over guarantee. (DL)
-Volunteer Airport Standby - Pays 8 hours (DL is 8:15)
-When sick on reserve, only charged for trips that you would have been assigned. Not for entire block of R-days. ( I think we have this, but there has been some confusion)
-Reserve assignment is based off of seniority and leveling hours only. Disregard days available to right size assignment. If used for right size, pay is on top of guarantee.
-Once a reserve trip is assigned, RA and RB get 12 hours off upon return. R24 gets 24 hours off. If an extension is given upon return, this is paid at 150%. (SWA)
-Reserve trips assigned upon return from previously scheduled RSV trip pay 150%. (SWA)
-Once trips have been assigned, all pay codes receive revision/disruption pay.
RSV gets premium over guarantee for reassignment.
-R-Day value is 5 hours.
-14 days off in 4 week month (UPS)
-17 days off in 5 week month
-No call in after trip for release. Just check schedule in VIPS.
-HTL STBY lines cannot be assigned off of reserve. A pairing must have operational flight legs. Cannot be just a hotel.
-Company can assign ⅓ of days available to short call reserve. (DL is 6 times a month)
These are fantastic suggestions. Wish more people cared about improving reserve.
I thought QOL was one of the topics for the focused contract talks correct?
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