C17B74

So nothing in Feb, hence the email I guess. Friend was curious as he thought the Feb BI was a go from previous information given on here somewhere so I let him know what y’all said and of course check your email bud. Fortunately he didn’t cut ties yet, but his other apps may hit during the still waters of purple and than he’ll really have something to brainstorm about. Not a should I stay or should I go moment for him, a will I wait or will I go if the phone rings again which is highly probable. Definitely a different animal from a few years ago, but thankfully every outfit has normal attrition some more than others. Hiring must resume at some point although doubtful to mirror these impressive past few years, but a trickle is better than 0 nothing new. A lot of assumptions made everywhere and despite I saw this or management sent that, nothing is truly solid it seems until it’s in the past. Appreciate the latest info to pass on despite the fluidity of it all. Thx for doing your best.

PurpleToolBox

Even when I was hired, some people waited over a year in the pool while some went from testing/interview/BI in less than two weeks. Maybe they have new rules now that I don't know about? But it wouldn't surprise me if they skip over the current poolies.

Also, NEVER QUIT YOUR CURRENT JOB UNTIL YOU HAVE A SENIORITY NUMBER AND ARE ON PROPERTY OF THE NEW JOB.

DirtyPurple

Where are you showing this?

opt0712

It's on MINT. You'd know what that is if you actually worked here, which you don't. Move on and let people who work here help those prospects.

skypine27

this. I’ve been here since 06 and EVERY TA has had concessions. I voted NO to every one of them but that didn’t stop them all from passing.

threeighteen

up until recently MINT showed classes for Jan Feb Mar and April too. Then those classes got deleted. They haven’t deleted the May classes yet, but as of now, there will be no classes beginning in May despite what MINT shows. If we run a single class this year, I will be pleasantly shocked. We are very close to 4A2B or whatever it is now.

majorpilot

Yes, your posts are soooo helpful, and your tone is so warm and inviting. I hope folks in the pool reading this recognize how out of the norm you are (at least in my experience). You’re doing yourself no favors, but don’t worry, I’m not wasting one more minute of my life on you. Bye…and good luck with all *that*.

WearyEyed

4A2B imposes some mild restrictions relating to makeup bank, limiting trip trading with open time, and carryover limits. Then there are options for fixing manning such as voluntary leaves of absences and even early retirement incentives.

4A2C has to be triggered for min guarantee to drop along with other consequences that are spelled out in the CBA.

It should be noted that, “If the Company hires a pilot(s) and adds the pilot(s) to the Master Seniority List, other than pursuant to a court order or arbitration award, the Company shall exit Section 4.A.2.b. effective with the first day of the bid period immediately following the Date of Hire.”

If it takes 2 months with the average line value below 68 CH to go into 4A2b and 2 months with the average above 70 CH to exit, then I doubt hiring will resume this spring.

I believe management intentionally over hired in 2022 with the post pandemic decline in freight volumes on the horizon. This was intentional in order to trigger 4A2b/c during negotiations just to make it look all doom and gloom so that we agree to a subpar and concessionary contract. A little bit extra expense upfront to over staff could easily save FedEx hundreds of millions of dollars over the life of the contract if we fall for their trick.

With early retirement packages as a possibility of 4A2B, if they get even 100 senior captains to retire early for a $100,000k bonus check, then that’s 100 additional pilots that won’t get whatever our new retirement package is worth. That incentive (trick) for pilots to retire early could easily save the company millions.

Stay strong and hold the line!

opt0712

I agree with everything. I will add that with China open now, the 777 and 767 ALVs won't be bought up anytime soon. If those drop down I'll pay attention. Until then ops normal and support your NC.

HvypurplePylot

We are not even in the ballpark but thanks for once again highlighting how uninformed this pilot group is.