The old FedEx is gone....
12-31-2022, 10:07 AM
#41
Fill'er Up Again
Joined APC: Jun 2008
Position: Scarebus Captain
Posts: 1,090
No it’s not. It’s the normal now. Prior to C15 you couldn’t pick your training date. You trained in seniority order, regardless of training date preference. Get your facts straight. You are quite the mouth, yet know no history. Tell us how DAL does training… oh wait for it….. The company picks the date, many times with less than 2 weeks notice. Oh oh oh and they do big long term bids that span over a year…. We get two bid periods worth of notice and you bid what your seniority can hold. Isn’t that what seniority is for???????
We have plenty of 2 year 75 Captains and numerous sub 5 year WB Captains activated and flying the line. This has been going on for the past 3 years. Name one 4 year WB Captain at another major. Get your facts straight.
We have plenty of 2 year 75 Captains and numerous sub 5 year WB Captains activated and flying the line. This has been going on for the past 3 years. Name one 4 year WB Captain at another major. Get your facts straight.
12-31-2022, 10:19 AM
#42
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Aug 2018
Position: Line holder
Posts: 513
So you think that a less than 18 month 75/76 captain is going to hold flying on the airplane that pays $325? That airplane is less than 15% of the airplanes in your friends category. We don't even know if that -400 is available in your friends base. So, I will again throw the BS flag on your original post that your friend will be making more as a 18 month captain at UA than a Fedex WB captain. If your friend only flies his monthly award, I would bet he makes about the same as an average 75 captain at Fedex. Nice click bait though. 
No one ever answered my original question: APC shows FedEx 75 at 260, is that right? If it is, I am guessing those attacking apologists don't want to hear about the UA 73CA Y2 rate of 274 (post recent 5% increase) then...
The lowest 75 rate (not yet on APC) is like only $20 less than your WB rate, BTW (if that is accurate, which no one here has disputed, so assuming it is since they are shooting the inquirer instead of rebutting a fact); the -400 is that much higher (maybe only senior pilots get it, but that doesn't change the published rate). As I wrote, I am at neither place, don't know/care about who is flying the actual flights or whatever, just raising it hoping for clarification.
So @274, the UA 18 month 73 CA > FX 75 CA, unless the APC published numbers are wrong...But, whatever, I will stop asking questions, leave here not to return, stay off your lawn, etc...and whether you believe them or not, I hope you can use the reality others can see for ourselves to help y'all get a richly deserved raise.
Now rationalize amongst yourselves...
12-31-2022, 10:21 AM
#43
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Nov 2017
Posts: 2,111
No it’s not. It’s the normal now. Prior to C15 you couldn’t pick your training date. You trained in seniority order, regardless of training date preference. Get your facts straight. You are quite the mouth, yet know no history. Tell us how DAL does training… oh wait for it….. The company picks the date, many times with less than 2 weeks notice. Oh oh oh and they do big long term bids that span over a year…. We get two bid periods worth of notice and you bid what your seniority can hold. Isn’t that what seniority is for???????
We have plenty of 2 year 75 Captains and numerous sub 5 year WB Captains activated and flying the line. This has been going on for the past 3 years. Name one 4 year WB Captain at another major. Get your facts straight.
We have plenty of 2 year 75 Captains and numerous sub 5 year WB Captains activated and flying the line. This has been going on for the past 3 years. Name one 4 year WB Captain at another major. Get your facts straight.
Sorry, you triggered me with the reminder on our crappy bidding. /thread drift
12-31-2022, 11:40 AM
#45
Clear ECAM
Joined APC: Oct 2014
Posts: 934
Again, I am not trying to "click bait" or trigger what is obviously a hot topic (especially with some of you who seem to be so triggered already).
No one ever answered my original question: APC shows FedEx 75 at 260, is that right? If it is, I am guessing those attacking apologists don't want to hear about the UA 73CA Y2 rate of 274 (post recent 5% increase) then...
The lowest 75 rate (not yet on APC) is like only $20 less than your WB rate, BTW (if that is accurate, which no one here has disputed, so assuming it is since they are shooting the inquirer instead of rebutting a fact); the -400 is that much higher (maybe only senior pilots get it, but that doesn't change the published rate). As I wrote, I am at neither place, don't know/care about who is flying the actual flights or whatever, just raising it hoping for clarification.
So @274, the UA 18 month 73 CA > FX 75 CA, unless the APC published numbers are wrong...But, whatever, I will stop asking questions, leave here not to return, stay off your lawn, etc...and whether you believe them or not, I hope you can use the reality others can see for ourselves to help y'all get a richly deserved raise.
Now rationalize amongst yourselves...
No one ever answered my original question: APC shows FedEx 75 at 260, is that right? If it is, I am guessing those attacking apologists don't want to hear about the UA 73CA Y2 rate of 274 (post recent 5% increase) then...
The lowest 75 rate (not yet on APC) is like only $20 less than your WB rate, BTW (if that is accurate, which no one here has disputed, so assuming it is since they are shooting the inquirer instead of rebutting a fact); the -400 is that much higher (maybe only senior pilots get it, but that doesn't change the published rate). As I wrote, I am at neither place, don't know/care about who is flying the actual flights or whatever, just raising it hoping for clarification.
So @274, the UA 18 month 73 CA > FX 75 CA, unless the APC published numbers are wrong...But, whatever, I will stop asking questions, leave here not to return, stay off your lawn, etc...and whether you believe them or not, I hope you can use the reality others can see for ourselves to help y'all get a richly deserved raise.
Now rationalize amongst yourselves...
IMO our union has not done a good job of educating the crew force about the realities of these new pax AIP/TA/contracts. For many FDX is all they have ever known and they're unplugged from the rest of the industry because they’ve always been told they are the best in the business and are compensated as such. It’s time for a big dose of reality.
12-31-2022, 12:21 PM
#46
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jul 2008
Position: B767
Posts: 808
No it’s not. It’s the normal now. Prior to C15 you couldn’t pick your training date. You trained in seniority order, regardless of training date preference. Get your facts straight. You are quite the mouth, yet know no history. Tell us how DAL does training… oh wait for it….. The company picks the date, many times with less than 2 weeks notice. Oh oh oh and they do big long term bids that span over a year…. We get two bid periods worth of notice and you bid what your seniority can hold. Isn’t that what seniority is for???????
We have plenty of 2 year 75 Captains and numerous sub 5 year WB Captains activated and flying the line. This has been going on for the past 3 years. Name one 4 year WB Captain at another major. Get your facts straight.
We have plenty of 2 year 75 Captains and numerous sub 5 year WB Captains activated and flying the line. This has been going on for the past 3 years. Name one 4 year WB Captain at another major. Get your facts straight.
12-31-2022, 12:49 PM
#47
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Aug 2006
Posts: 1,813
Again, I am not trying to "click bait" or trigger what is obviously a hot topic (especially with some of you who seem to be so triggered already).
No one ever answered my original question: APC shows FedEx 75 at 260, is that right? If it is, I am guessing those attacking apologists don't want to hear about the UA 73CA Y2 rate of 274 (post recent 5% increase) then...
The lowest 75 rate (not yet on APC) is like only $20 less than your WB rate, BTW (if that is accurate, which no one here has disputed, so assuming it is since they are shooting the inquirer instead of rebutting a fact); the -400 is that much higher (maybe only senior pilots get it, but that doesn't change the published rate). As I wrote, I am at neither place, don't know/care about who is flying the actual flights or whatever, just raising it hoping for clarification.
So @274, the UA 18 month 73 CA > FX 75 CA, unless the APC published numbers are wrong...But, whatever, I will stop asking questions, leave here not to return, stay off your lawn, etc...and whether you believe them or not, I hope you can use the reality others can see for ourselves to help y'all get a richly deserved raise.
Now rationalize amongst yourselves...
No one ever answered my original question: APC shows FedEx 75 at 260, is that right? If it is, I am guessing those attacking apologists don't want to hear about the UA 73CA Y2 rate of 274 (post recent 5% increase) then...
The lowest 75 rate (not yet on APC) is like only $20 less than your WB rate, BTW (if that is accurate, which no one here has disputed, so assuming it is since they are shooting the inquirer instead of rebutting a fact); the -400 is that much higher (maybe only senior pilots get it, but that doesn't change the published rate). As I wrote, I am at neither place, don't know/care about who is flying the actual flights or whatever, just raising it hoping for clarification.
So @274, the UA 18 month 73 CA > FX 75 CA, unless the APC published numbers are wrong...But, whatever, I will stop asking questions, leave here not to return, stay off your lawn, etc...and whether you believe them or not, I hope you can use the reality others can see for ourselves to help y'all get a richly deserved raise.
Now rationalize amongst yourselves...
Well, more click bait! Yes, the numbers are accurate, and FedEx has two scales, WB and NB. Yes, after we settled in 2015, the other airlines then took our rates and improved them by quite a bit. If we ever get 737's, they will pay the same as a 757. We know our rates and the current rates at other carriers.
So, where do you work? Why insert yourself if you have no dog in the fight unless it is just to try to stir up trouble?
12-31-2022, 02:08 PM
#48
Banned
Joined APC: Oct 2019
Posts: 923
Facts
12 year DL 737-800 (and A320) will make $335/hr after 18% bump (and 24% for A320 to band it)
2nd year DL 737 Captain will make $310/hr
15 year DL 767 will make $350 and 767-400/A330 and A350 over $400 (small % of pilots on this category)
15 year WB Fedex Captain makes $335/hr, not to mention 75 pay
So it is conceivable a DL 2nd year Captain can make more than a 15 yr Fedex WB Captain with creative scheduling manipulation and/or picking up open time, whereas if I understand correctly most Fedex bid packs will be at BLG.
Not factoring in pension, FYI, although at 17% DC and future 18% compared to 9% Fedex + pension it gets a bit closer.
12 year DL 737-800 (and A320) will make $335/hr after 18% bump (and 24% for A320 to band it)
2nd year DL 737 Captain will make $310/hr
15 year DL 767 will make $350 and 767-400/A330 and A350 over $400 (small % of pilots on this category)
15 year WB Fedex Captain makes $335/hr, not to mention 75 pay
So it is conceivable a DL 2nd year Captain can make more than a 15 yr Fedex WB Captain with creative scheduling manipulation and/or picking up open time, whereas if I understand correctly most Fedex bid packs will be at BLG.
Not factoring in pension, FYI, although at 17% DC and future 18% compared to 9% Fedex + pension it gets a bit closer.
12-31-2022, 03:00 PM
#49
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Aug 2006
Posts: 1,813
If they are true, it still doesn't matter. How much of that was at 150% or more? The only pay rate that has been ratified recently is UPS and Alaska, maybe one or two others, but no other legacy/major.
12-31-2022, 03:01 PM
#50
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Aug 2006
Posts: 1,813
Facts
12 year DL 737-800 (and A320) will make $335/hr after 18% bump (and 24% for A320 to band it)
2nd year DL 737 Captain will make $310/hr
15 year DL 767 will make $350 and 767-400/A330 and A350 over $400 (small % of pilots on this category)
15 year WB Fedex Captain makes $335/hr, not to mention 75 pay
So it is conceivable a DL 2nd year Captain can make more than a 15 yr Fedex WB Captain with creative scheduling manipulation and/or picking up open time, whereas if I understand correctly most Fedex bid packs will be at BLG.
Not factoring in pension, FYI, although at 17% DC and future 18% compared to 9% Fedex + pension it gets a bit closer.
12 year DL 737-800 (and A320) will make $335/hr after 18% bump (and 24% for A320 to band it)
2nd year DL 737 Captain will make $310/hr
15 year DL 767 will make $350 and 767-400/A330 and A350 over $400 (small % of pilots on this category)
15 year WB Fedex Captain makes $335/hr, not to mention 75 pay
So it is conceivable a DL 2nd year Captain can make more than a 15 yr Fedex WB Captain with creative scheduling manipulation and/or picking up open time, whereas if I understand correctly most Fedex bid packs will be at BLG.
Not factoring in pension, FYI, although at 17% DC and future 18% compared to 9% Fedex + pension it gets a bit closer.
Thanks UPS. Glad to see you guys can't stay away from our forum. According to our NC, it is your low extension rates that are causing the problem with our rates. Nice of you to lower the bar.
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