Originally Posted by Tuck
(Post 3488652)
ill give you my perspective. NC has been saying time and time again that we are in the end stages and essentially just need this very last session. At the picketing in July both NC chair and MEC chair said more or less, we had better have a TA by end of August. We don’t. We continue to just delay delay delay and accept the virtual zero action. As has been said earlier the work rules were easy as little was changed and the net improvement is close to, if not exactly, zero.
Company will always want to delay delay. We said very vocally we agreed to a limited in scope negotiation that would complete by May22. Then we said no later than august. Now we are saying we will continue to add dates even though in the same breath we say zero has been done on the remaining sections. I suspect the Company is jumping for joy as they continue to string us along and many of you seem to be content with this everlasting extension to extension. I expect these actions will continue - we will hear something along the same lines in another month. Slow walk everything to get through peak and then it really doesn’t matter. Think back to how much leverage we had a year ago, and even 6 months ago and what we have today and what we will have in 6 more months. That’s the path we are on….. |
Originally Posted by HvypurplePylot
(Post 3488621)
Originally Posted by TonyC
(Post 3488594)
I was awake a little earlier than that. ;)
Originally Posted by HvypurplePylot
(Post 3488621)
So just so we are clear, you doubted an update would come on Labor Day weekend. One did come with details and expectations of what’s to come. But Tony and crowd are still angry. So should we just pack it in and wait it out for the company to come to us? But the content is more of the same. The Company is continuing to delay, and we're playing along. No, we don't pack it in. We take action, beginning last November when our CBA became amendable. Continuing until we have a TA and until it is ratified.
Originally Posted by HvypurplePylot
(Post 3488621)
Unfortunately, the labor/management playing field isn’t level in this country, as you know. A strike vote, that’s about as worthless as it comes, has a company ever all the sudden come to the table because of a strike vote? Do you remember what happened the last time WE took a strike vote? The Company invited our union President (the equivalent of our present day MEC Chair) to meet him in a dark parking lot to seal a deal with a handshake which hinged on us agreeing to NOT count the strike vote. Still think strike votes don't matter to FedEx? Spare me the arguments that the President will never let us strike. Think about the press that FedEx would get if we voted to strike. Just like UPS customers did in 1987, customers would be scrambling en masse to find reliable alternatives for their shipping needs. It absolutely, positively matters. But it doesn't just happen organically. It requires education and motivation, and a lot of it. And we as a pilot group have received none of it. We have not been prepared for is, and that failure rests squarely on the MEC.
Originally Posted by HvypurplePylot
(Post 3488621)
I’m sure one is coming, it’s just a formality though. Negotiating is how things get done and I’m glad the team in place is taking that approach. How is our negotiating committee agreeing to more dates a sign of weakness?
Originally Posted by HvypurplePylot
(Post 3488621)
Please Tony, grace us with your expert testimony on how things would be so much different if only you were elected to the MEC, because really isn’t that what this all about? But since you asked, I'll play with your question. How would things be different? As only one vote out of 15, I obviously could not guarantee any action of the MEC, but I guarantee what I would be advocating for. For starters, I advocated for a Negotiations Kickoff Rally when negotiations began 6 months prior to the amendable date. Too many pilots were not even aware that we were officially in negotiations -- that was a failure to communicate to the membership. I would have advocated for a much more proactive education campaign to make sure every pilot knows not only the RLA process and where we stand in that process, but who is on the other side of the Negotiating Table from us. It's not the image the FedEx projects to the public, or even the image that hopeful pilots have when they interview for jobs here. The real FedEx who negotiates AGAINST us is much much different. I would have advocated for a Protocol agreement that included negotiation sessions sufficient to complete the deal by the Amendable Date, not 6 months later. When we reached the Amendable Date, I would have advocated for another Rally and the commencement of Informational Picketing on the first Sunday of every bid month. When we reached the end of originally scheduled meetings with no TA, I would have published The Company's Openers -- another way to open the starry eyes of pilots to the real character of who we're dealing with. I would have advocated for our full participation in the ALPA-wide Informational Picketing on Labor Day weekend instead of scheduling a day of negotiations meetings on the same date. If FedEx wanted to avoid the bad publicity, they could write a big check. And speaking of checks, I would advocate for our Negotiating Committee to begin each meeting with The Company by announcing the size of the Retro Payment that would be required for an acceptable deal, and that number would be an absolute, non-negotiable minimum that would obviously go up with every passing day. In short, I would advocate for a much more active approach to dealing with a party to negotiations who has a long and storied history of stringing us along with delays, stalls, and feet dragging. As I type this, a Delta pilot is shown on a national network with picketers behind him explaining how Delta pilots are prepared to strike. Meanwhile, who in the world is even the slightest bit aware that FedEx pilots are far behind the industry in pay rates and have a retirement commensurate with 25-year-old pay rates and IRS limits? It is the responsibility of the MEC to prepare the membership for the actions that will be required to motivate The Company to complete the deal. Rather than accept that responsibility and act on it, they have elected to act like The Company has changed its spots and will play nice because we're being nice. So far we have done nothing to demonstrate we are ready to complete the deal. The words on our lanyards, Now is the Time, are meaningless without actions to support them. I started off this post by admitting I was wrong, and I'll be thrilled to confess again that I was wrong if the current approach produces a ratifiable TA. But I'm not holding my breath. . |
Wall Street picketing
Oh, now I get it. We couldn't picket in Memphis on 1 September along with the rest of the 66,000 pilots of ALPA because we need a handful of pilots to show up on 26 September in Lower Manhattan.
I made my reservation. Who else is going? . |
Originally Posted by TonyC
(Post 3488838)
Oh, now I get it. We couldn't picket in Memphis on 1 September along with the rest of the 66,000 pilots of ALPA because we need a handful of pilots to show up on 26 September in Lower Manhattan.
I made my reservation. Who else is going? . so you were wrong twice. Actually three times, but I’m sure you have more criticism to offer. |
Originally Posted by FDX1
(Post 3488845)
so you were wrong twice. Actually three times, but I’m sure you have more criticism to offer. We should have picketed in multiple locations on the 1st, and could still picket in multiple locations on the 26th. We still haven't heard from the MEC since the end of negotiations meetings, only from two committee chairs. We still haven't been told anything about what we've asked for in retirement or in pay, even in general terms, nor what The Company has offered. All we know is more meetings have been scheduled, and peak is right around the corner. Aren't you motivated now? . |
Originally Posted by TonyC
(Post 3488838)
Oh, now I get it. We couldn't picket in Memphis on 1 September along with the rest of the 66,000 pilots of ALPA because we need a handful of pilots to show up on 26 September in Lower Manhattan.
I made my reservation. Who else is going? . |
Originally Posted by HvypurplePylot
(Post 3488863)
I’ll see you there Tony. I genuinely appreciate your drive and determination. I wish it was focused about 65 degrees in a different direction but it’s better than what most of our group puts out there. You see it as failed leadership. I see it as a group that has never nor will ever trust a union and deep down isn’t comfortable with being apart of one. At the end of the day I focus on trying to bring more into the fold, through direct communication and my union work. I see your approach as sowing seeds of doubt, in leadership and the union in general. We could go back and forth on that but I don’t really think it accomplishes anything. I had a professional driving course instructor explain it like this. Most drivers think they are better drivers than most other drivers on the road. Most drivers think they are better than other drivers they personally know, but those drivers are in turn better than most other drivers on the road. Obviously they can't all be right. Similarly, we tend to trust ourselves to do the right thing more than we trust others we know, and trust them more than those we don't know. At the same time, those people who we don't know tend to trust themselves more than they trust us to do the right thing. It's not until we observe each other doing the right thing that we learn to trust and depend on and rely on each other to do the right thing. Building trust and unity recognizes those dynamics and requires gradually increasing opportunities to display behaviors that instill trust and unity. Little things like wearing lanyards and displaying bag tags might seem insignificant on their own, but when we see each other intentionally acting in small ways to build trust and unity, we learn to rely on each other for bigger things and more substantial behaviors. Leadership plays a critical role in building unity and trust by educating, motivating, and cultivating opportunities. It cannot simply be turned on like a switch. It takes mentors, and those who lead by example. And, like it or not, whether they are aware of it or not, our elected representatives are leading. They're either leading us to emulate positive behaviors, or they're leading us to do nothing, to carry on like everything is situation normal, go about your business. I think it's the latter, and I think that's why you have such little faith in the pilot group as a whole. I'm not trying to sow seeds of doubt about the union in general because I think it's made up of mostly good people. I am critical of elected leaders when I think they're failing to lead us in the right direction. I think we have unlimited potential to succeed, but they're failing to take us down that road. But, hey, I'm always open to debate as long as our ultimate goal is to benefit the pilot force. And even if I'm skewed 65° off, that still moves me 42% along the X axis. :) . |
Originally Posted by TonyC
(Post 3488472)
Update?
On Labor Day weekend? Ha. Ha. Ha. Oh, you mean the announcement which required plagiarizing the U.S. Department of Labor to even feign understanding what Labor Day is all about, other than an excuse for a long weekend and the deadline for wearing white. Oh, and speaking of long weekend, it's an extra-long 3½-day weekend starting at noon on Friday for the MEC. Labor Day to our MEC certainly was NOT about anything related to acting like a LABOR UNION and standing shoulder to shoulder with our fellow union members in picket lines across the country. Our MEC was too busy feeding their delusion that The Company would voluntarily come to the table with a checkbook and a generous heart to offer a TA that meets our meager goals. They must be so stunned that it didn't happen that they don't know how to word the announcement that they'll be extending negotiations yet another time -- will this be three times now? -- by adding more days of meetings. What they SHOULD be announcing is multiple picketing events and a strike vote, and they should be publishing The Company's openers which would expose The Company for who they really are instead of protecting them in hopes they'll be more generous to us. I drove from Memphis to Atlanta so I could walk the picket line with Delta pilots. They seemed to understand the significance of Labor Day. I saw a couple of other FedEx pilots there as well. Some of us get it. It's time that our "leaders" started getting it. Or maybe it's time for new leaders. . |
Originally Posted by HvypurplePylot
(Post 3488621)
Sorry, we don’t all live on Memphis time.
So just so we are clear, you doubted an update would come on Labor Day weekend. One did come with details and expectations of what’s to come. But Tony and crowd are still angry. So should we just pack it in and wait it out for the company to come to us? Unfortunately, the labor/management playing field isn’t level in this country, as you know. A strike vote, that’s about as worthless as it comes, has a company ever all the sudden come to the table because of a strike vote? I’m sure one is coming, it’s just a formality though. Negotiating is how things get done and I’m glad the team in place is taking that approach. How is our negotiating committee agreeing to more dates a sign of weakness? Please Tony, grace us with your expert testimony on how things would be so much different if only you were elected to the MEC, because really isn’t that what this all about? |
Originally Posted by Globemaster2827
(Post 3488886)
I trust our leaders more than you. They did give us an update yesterday. We received 1 e-mail yesterday from the MEC -- it was the Labor Day Weekend office closure notice. We received 2 e-mails today (maybe yesterday I suppose depending on your time zone) from 2 committee chairs, the Negotiating Committee and the Strategic Planning and Strike Preparedness Committee. Where is the update from our leaders of which you speak? Or do you think the committee chairs are our leaders?
Originally Posted by Globemaster2827
(Post 3488886)
If there's more that they require of me then I'll be willing to listen and probably help. . |
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