Originally Posted by ClncClarence (Post 3481373)

Guys…Roth was the last name of the senator who introduced the legislation creating the type of account. William Roth. You don’t have to capitalize the whole word.

Originally Posted by DLax85 (Post 3481352)

Other related thoughts, more relevant this to thread title....

Under the 2015 CBA our last pay raise was Nov 2020 pay period, correct? So any pay increase at signing should AT LEAST be an inflation adjusted equivalent from that date. Roughly speaking, thats about 14% today, correct? If so, that would take our current $335.46 WB Capt Year 15 rate to approx $381.90.. Minimum. Today! With inflation running 8-9% annually, that will only be adjusted higher as delays continue. And then the real forecasting games/negotiation begin. How long is the agreement? ...and what are the inflation forecasts moving forward over that time period. The old assumption that inflation will run at 3% per year is highly debatable - especially over the next 2- 3 years. Everyone still watching how high the Fed is willing to raise interest rates to reign it in. Beyond whatever retirement enhancements are agreed upon, the initial hourly pay rates, and the future rate increases over the life of the CBA, will be - and should be - hotly debated.

Originally Posted by Precontact (Post 3481433)

You get what you can negotiate, not what you think you’re worth.

Originally Posted by pinseeker (Post 3480911)

I don't consider just now passing a pay rate that has been frozen for 3 years as much to brag about. Hopefully we will do better. If not, I certainly will not be bragging about it. That $395 rate that I mentioned is what the United top pay rate would be today if you increased their 2019 rate by 3% a year.

As far as switching to a single pay rate goes with seat movement, it will take years for that to work itself through the system. Again, 90% of our crew force is on wide body pay already, and that doesn't include those on junior activation pay.

Originally Posted by BoilerUP (Post 3477141)

Formal negotiations begin 1Sept24, amendable date 1Sept25, joint petition for mediation if no agreement by 11Sept25.

Don't be surprised if IPA pilots are honoring a UPS Teamsters strike next August.

Originally Posted by FXLAX (Post 3481497)

So let’s negotiate what we are worth!




Keep in mind that UALs top pay rate is attained 3 years before we do. So you should be comparing our 12 year pay to their top pay rate.

Also, I haven’t looked at it closely, but how do you come up with that 90% number, especially not considering junior activation pay?





Does IPA have a sympathy strike clause in your contract?

Originally Posted by Noworkallplay (Post 3481768)

How would a “sympathy strike” advantage the UPS pilots? All management has to do is agree to a new contract with the Teamsters then the pilots have to go back to work. Giving the pilots more money won’t force them to cross a picket line. The extension stays in place regardless through 2025 and most likely longer than that if history is a guide.

Originally Posted by TonyC (Post 3481790)

Spoken like a true trade unionist. NOT.

Some pilots seem to think that if our mechanics form a union, that will take money away from a pot that would otherwise be available for pilots, so they don't see the importance of supporting other work groups at FedEx in their efforts to organize. That is a very short-sighted perspective. When we can support them, and they can support us, we all become more powerful in the labor vs. management struggle.

UPS pilots being able to support the truck drivers and package car drivers gives the Teamsters more leverage to negotiate the pay and benefits they deserve. The support they give in return gives the IPA more leverage to negotiate the pay and benefits the pilots deserve. Solidarity and mutual support in organized labor goes much farther than a single class and craft.






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Originally Posted by Noworkallplay (Post 3481808)

NOT MY POINT

The point was this doesn’t provide leverage to get a contract for UPS pilots any quicker than the time line put in place with the extension. Their management isn’t going to give the pilots a raise because the Teamsters drivers we’re on strike.

Originally Posted by tnkrdrvr (Post 3481961)

Assuming our Teamsters strike, Wall Street and, more importantly, our customers will be very sensitive to any hint of labor strife that may delay or stop boxes moving. That is leverage for our next negotiation. There are a variety of inside UPS baseball type of stuff that figures into how our EB decided to handle our negotiations vis a vis the Teamsters. However, that’s the gist of it. Certainly there is room to theorize over the best way to play it and our internal forum had a lot of discussion about it. At the end of the day, guys here generally think the EB has our best interests at heart and is playing the contract game well. Hopefully, when that day comes you guys are strutting around crowing about your awesome new contract so we can leverage that as well.