Vaccination status
12-18-2021, 12:03 PM
#61
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Haa Haa, funny! That alone could put an end to FedEx as we know it. Can you imagine how this would affect the operation? It’s simple just put your vaccination status in. Soon the company might have no choice but to mandate it for crew members if they want to protect their operations. It's just the ugly truth. I’ll bet the lawyers are already putting in some hours in relation to vaccine mandate.
12-18-2021, 12:10 PM
#62
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I’m vaccinated. The company knows. If I’m revised to operate to a place that requires vaccination (let’s think… China, TPE, etc), I should be compensated at draft or more.
And if you’re not vaccinated and can’t fly to a place that requires it, not SUB for you, no good deal for you. Pulled without pay. Period.
12-18-2021, 12:14 PM
#63
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What’s the end game when a huge chunk of the crew force isn’t vaccinated but it’s mandated by our destinations? The vaccinated just take it in the ass (more than we’ve all already been for the last two years) while the others sit at home with pay waiting on a substitution flight that’s never coming?
12-18-2021, 12:39 PM
#64
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That’s definitely one way it could go down. I don’t think it’s the most likely outcome. At least not in the near term.
The company really really really doesn’t want to mandate. So they’re going to continue taking all kinds of half measures until their back is against the wall. In the meantime, as always, it’ll be the pilot group that suffers as a result of their dithering.
The company really really really doesn’t want to mandate. So they’re going to continue taking all kinds of half measures until their back is against the wall. In the meantime, as always, it’ll be the pilot group that suffers as a result of their dithering.
12-18-2021, 12:43 PM
#65
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Haa Haa, funny! That alone could put an end to FedEx as we know it. Can you imagine how this would affect the operation? It’s simple just put your vaccination status in. Soon the company might have no choice but to mandate it for crew members if they want to protect their operations. It's just the ugly truth. I’ll bet the lawyers are already putting in some hours in relation to vaccine mandate.
I sure don’t want to cover someone’s trip or get extended because they made a choice and can’t do the job.
12-18-2021, 12:52 PM
#66
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I am completely fine if the company mandates it. They have to run the business and they have a right to do it as they see fit. Including mandating the vaccine. I was trying to be a little diplomatic, i figured having to burn sick time and/or vacation would be an incentive to meet the requirements.
I sure don’t want to cover someone’s trip or get extended because they made a choice and can’t do the job.
I sure don’t want to cover someone’s trip or get extended because they made a choice and can’t do the job.
12-18-2021, 12:59 PM
#67
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Vaccination status
This is out of the company’s hand, they must adhere to protocols implemented by the host countries. Unlike some of the other carriers, the company did not place a vaccine mandate on the crew force, however I think in the near future they might not have a choice just like they don’t have a choice for required visas to certain countries.
Correct me if I’m wrong but I believe United is the only one who has implemented a vaccine mandate on all their customer facing employees.
Do you mean a federal mandate on private companies or a FedEx mandate only on its pilots? Both issues are in front of courts at the time. So I wouldn’t say it’s clearly coming. Managements might just be waiting to see how those cases turn out before having to make any decisions. On the other hand, they may have no choice before those cases are finalized. Maybe that’s what you mean?
12-18-2021, 01:11 PM
#68
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Agree completely.
I’m vaccinated. The company knows. If I’m revised to operate to a place that requires vaccination (let’s think… China, TPE, etc), I should be compensated at draft or more.
And if you’re not vaccinated and can’t fly to a place that requires it, not SUB for you, no good deal for you. Pulled without pay. Period.
I’m vaccinated. The company knows. If I’m revised to operate to a place that requires vaccination (let’s think… China, TPE, etc), I should be compensated at draft or more.
And if you’re not vaccinated and can’t fly to a place that requires it, not SUB for you, no good deal for you. Pulled without pay. Period.
25.H.2.g
The pilot is removed from the trip because he will or is projected to exceed FAR limitations or because of other government controlled restrictions.
If the Company wants to negotiate some kind of Vaccination LOA or MOU that supersedes the current substitution language like literally every other major carrier has negotiated, then do it. ALPA will speak for me.
Until then, we’ll just abide by the current language and the Union/Company can hash it out. If individuals would like disclose their medical status free of charge, it’s a free country. Go for it. But you’re doing that in a personal capacity and outside of the union and contract language. Ultimately, you’re negotiating for yourself, instead of the group; as evidenced by your willingness to have your brethren removed without pay despite the words of the CBA. IMO, it cheapens us as a group. But that is for the individual to decide.
12-18-2021, 01:47 PM
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12-18-2021, 02:08 PM
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What is it with people wanting to see the contract from a unique position that benefits only themselves? The contract represents the entire group.
25.H.2.g
The pilot is removed from the trip because he will or is projected to exceed FAR limitations or because of other government controlled restrictions.
If the Company wants to negotiate some kind of Vaccination LOA or MOU that supersedes the current substitution language like literally every other major carrier has negotiated, then do it. ALPA will speak for me.
Until then, we’ll just abide by the current language and the Union/Company can hash it out. If individuals would like disclose their medical status free of charge, it’s a free country. Go for it. But you’re doing that in a personal capacity and outside of the union and contract language. Ultimately, you’re negotiating for yourself, instead of the group; as evidenced by your willingness to have your brethren removed without pay despite the words of the CBA. IMO, it cheapens us as a group. But that is for the individual to decide.
25.H.2.g
The pilot is removed from the trip because he will or is projected to exceed FAR limitations or because of other government controlled restrictions.
If the Company wants to negotiate some kind of Vaccination LOA or MOU that supersedes the current substitution language like literally every other major carrier has negotiated, then do it. ALPA will speak for me.
Until then, we’ll just abide by the current language and the Union/Company can hash it out. If individuals would like disclose their medical status free of charge, it’s a free country. Go for it. But you’re doing that in a personal capacity and outside of the union and contract language. Ultimately, you’re negotiating for yourself, instead of the group; as evidenced by your willingness to have your brethren removed without pay despite the words of the CBA. IMO, it cheapens us as a group. But that is for the individual to decide.
But I sure don’t want to go to China (or wherever), when I have the seniority to avoid it, to cover for someone that made a choice to not get vaccinated.
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