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Old 12-12-2021, 06:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Nightflyer
The union should immediately give 7 day notice for the jump seat agreement.

If they did, the company might be interested in renegotiating the Covid MOU.

We should have done that in response to their cancellation, but we were too busy playing checkers.

Our leadership is either weak or complicit with the company, both are unacceptable.
Agree but you know they’ll squander this opportunity to exhibit real leadership and take a stand!
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Old 12-12-2021, 06:43 PM
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Pete, just an unsolicited comment about vaccination status; feel free to share!

Management unilaterally cancelled the Covid MOU and now they want our vaccination status to make they're job easier, really? Give us the contract we deserve with meaningful retirement improvements and I'll share my status!
Where did you hear they cancelled COVID MOU? I haven’t seen FCIF or union email stating this fact.
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Old 12-12-2021, 07:13 PM
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If telling the airline my vaccination status helps management, then they can pay me for getting the vaccine, just like other airlines have done.
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Old 12-12-2021, 07:17 PM
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Where did you hear they cancelled COVID MOU? I haven’t seen FCIF or union email stating this fact.
Poor choice of words on my part; I’m referencing the China flying MOU and the additional pay provisions. Can’t find any reference to that MOU on ALPA.
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Old 12-12-2021, 07:23 PM
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They had their chance to "buy" that info on the cheap but didn't do it. A fail for Corp management. Inflation is hitting every sector, Vaccination Status included.

The company has realized this and a new lowball offer will come next week. Don't blink.
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Old 12-12-2021, 08:12 PM
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I am vaxxed. I'm not interested in the company blowing up my schedule and making me an involuntary base replacement for an unvaxxed pilot to a vaccine required destination. Just another subrogation of seniority. Until I see some protection on that front, I wouldn't step in front of that bus.
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Old 12-13-2021, 03:36 AM
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Amen.

Vaccination status will become just as pertinent to this job as the date on your medical or your visas. That's been obvious for awhile now.

Not sure how ALPA's supposed to monetize that.
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Old 12-13-2021, 05:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Nightflyer
The union should immediately give 7 day notice for the jump seat agreement.

If they did, the company might be interested in renegotiating the Covid MOU.

We should have done that in response to their cancellation, but we were too busy playing checkers.

Our leadership is either weak or complicit with the company, both are unacceptable.
That I agree with 💯, the union should have give the company notice on to cancel the JS agreement immediately after the COVID MOU cancellation. With that said, I see no issue in disclosing my COVID vaccination status to the company. We disclose anyway every time we take our COVID test at the company sites. In addition this will soon be a requirement for international flying which the company will have no control over. I don’t believe that’s a fight we or the union should be picking. Instead we should have renegotiated the COVID MOU.
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Old 12-13-2021, 05:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Nightflyer
The union should immediately give 7 day notice for the jump seat agreement.

If they did, the company might be interested in renegotiating the Covid MOU.

We should have done that in response to their cancellation, but we were too busy playing checkers.

Our leadership is either weak or complicit with the company, both are unacceptable.
I'm glad you're not playing checkers for us. Read the contract (what a concept) and your sly chess move will seem pretty stupid. The company can position us on our jumpseats any time they want without the Travel MOU - it's in the contract. All they need is management approval and a report detailing why to the SIG. They can also get us back to base on jumpseats as long as they meet the fly window constraints and put the corresponding fare in our travel bank.
So, to teach them a lesson and bring them back to the table with a China MOU (part deux), you're going to take away from all pilots all the benefits of the MOU - like no cutting travel bank in half, travel bank for front-end JS deadheads, rental car options, enhanced GT limits without pre-approval, personal car use and hotel isolation credit. In exchange, they get to continue to move us on our own metal just like they do now under the MOU but will need to ask themselves for permission and send a report to the SIG. Got it. Absolute genius.
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Old 12-13-2021, 07:27 AM
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In exchange, they get to continue to move us on our own metal just like they do now under the MOU but will need to ask themselves for permission and send a report to the SIG. Got it. Absolute genius.
Have you read the entirety of the "FDX pilot history" on the ALPA website? There is a decent chance you've been here a while and lived through a lot of it, but it should be required reading for everyone.

From what I remember, the captains put their foot down on who was allowed to jumpseat. Even the company could not subvert captains authority, full stop. Didn't this negate anything the company could do in regards to placing people in the jumpseat? The leverage on this is huge; the only reason the company is allowed to place individuals in the jumpseats is because Captains allow it, MOU or not.
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