Vaccination status
12-21-2021, 03:07 AM
#111
Aspiring PSA Captain
Joined APC: Sep 2020
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I didn’t say all either.
Anywho, if you wanna get vaxxed, get vaxxed! If you don’t wanna get vaxxed, don’t! If you wanna tell them your status, go ahead, if not, don’t. I do t care. The company asked, “Please don’t forget…” They said PLEASE, not you shall or else. They know they can’t require that information. They know that because they continued by saying if you dont respond, you’ll be considered unvaxxed. Period. I answered the question by not answering.
Let’s move along here. We have a contract to get.
Anywho, if you wanna get vaxxed, get vaxxed! If you don’t wanna get vaxxed, don’t! If you wanna tell them your status, go ahead, if not, don’t. I do t care. The company asked, “Please don’t forget…” They said PLEASE, not you shall or else. They know they can’t require that information. They know that because they continued by saying if you dont respond, you’ll be considered unvaxxed. Period. I answered the question by not answering.
Let’s move along here. We have a contract to get.
If only it were that simple. You left out the part where everyone who doesn't answer is in sub and everyone who answers vaxxed is involuntary base replaced to hellholes.
12-21-2021, 04:55 AM
#112
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Joined APC: Aug 2012
Posts: 700
I’m vaccinated and boosted but I’m not answering. If the majority of us don’t answer then flights to destinations where it is required will end up with cancelled flights and no way for the airline to move the freight. We need an industry leading Covid agreement that provides 36 hours of pay per pilot for being vaccinated and boosted (48 hours no flying required after each dose equals 6 days off at 6 hours of pay each). Maybe then I’ll provide my vaccination status.
12-21-2021, 05:45 AM
#113
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Joined APC: Jun 2014
Posts: 1,236
#2 is the thing that confuses me the absolute most about all these imposed restrictions. While I think it’s safe to say the vaccine does offer SOME protection from getting the virus. It certainly doesn’t stop it. I sympathize with both sides. But the restrictions really don’t make much sense. Even testing before entry. Sure it gives someone a warm and fuzzy and may stop a few people with Covid from getting into a country. But, you can have it. Test negative even with symptoms. Then several days later test positive. It’s all some hocus pocus “preventative” measures that makes someone feel safe, somewhere. And if I’m not mistaken the vaccine does a pretty good job of preventing serious infection/death. Majority of deaths and hospitalizations are from unvaccinated. I didn’t say all. So calm down.
12-21-2021, 05:49 AM
#114
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Joined APC: Jun 2008
Position: Scarebus Captain
Posts: 1,090
It isn't a very complicated concept. Let's say that requiring the vaccine and/or testing eliminates 90% of the foreigners bringing in Covid.... That's 90% less hospitalizations from foreigners that clog up their hospitals. Also, these countries mostly have single payer health care, so now they're having to pay for all of those extra hospitalizations. It's a very simple benefit to do it and I wish the USA would do it because we've already got a massive deficit. I think we might be doing some of that for foreign citizens right now but maybe not all of it... Why should our citizens be footing the bill for Covid infections from foreigners?
12-21-2021, 05:57 AM
#115
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Joined APC: Jun 2014
Posts: 1,236
Has the company mandated the vaccine? No. So there is no requirement to be met and suggesting pilots who are either unvaccinated or choose not to disclose their status lose pay controverts the CBA. Plain and simple. Country rules are not the same thing as company mandates. They can cross that bridge if they choose but it comes with an awful lot of problematic consequences for them. Which is likely why it hasn’t yet been done. I care not whether they do or not but I’m not going to become their problem-solver for free.
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Also... Imagine if they did just put you in sub? Wouldn't everyone bid Brazil and Colombia just so they can go into sub and either turn it down at 125% or hope they aren't called? I get it that those are senior trips but they'd go even more senior and what about when Canada inevitably has the crew mandate? If France or China did it then the 777 would be completely shut down with pilots being unsuable in sub. Now you might have massive percentages that they're either going to have to pay 125% or pay to stay home. Why would they ever agree to that? In all honesty with how that would affect the 777 it'd probably shut down the airline.
12-21-2021, 05:59 AM
#116
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Posts: 1,236
I do think natural immunity should play a role but I don't think it's a coincidence that natural immunity and vaccination both see effectiveness fade over time.
12-21-2021, 06:06 AM
#117
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Joined APC: Jun 2014
Posts: 1,236
I agree if the company decides to mandate a new vaccine requirement then have a system bid and let everyone decide what they want to do? Getting vaccinated was one thing but now it’s already lowered to a booster every 9 months in Milan, where does it end a vaccination a month?
12-21-2021, 06:13 AM
#118
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Joined APC: Jun 2014
Posts: 1,236
If I were king I'd be instantly deporting any illegal immigrant or for that matter legal immigrant who can't show proof of vaccination.... Again... Why should I pay for their hospitalization when our country is giving out free vaccines to everyone in America - no questions asked? In April and May foreigners who couldn't get shots in their home countries started taking vacations here just to get vaccinated. So I agree with you 100%.
12-21-2021, 06:46 AM
#119
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Joined APC: Dec 2018
Posts: 248
I’m tired of the empty thank you’s from management.
12-21-2021, 09:38 AM
#120
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Joined APC: Mar 2012
Position: Two Wheeler FrontSeat
Posts: 1,162
The problem that you run into is that the CBA says that they can simply notify you of all required vaccines and you've been notified of Brazil and Colombia. So from that angle you're not complying with that requirement and they can remove you without pay. Let's say you are correct and that you should get sub just because they need to take care of all of our pilots who can't work due to entrance requirements of foreign trips.... According to Alpa legal the company can mandate it per SCOTUS. So the company can always just require all of us to be vaccinated. Dropping without pay is a bit harsh in my opinion but dropping into a makeup bank sounds fair given that they can always just require you to have it period...
Also... Imagine if they did just put you in sub? Wouldn't everyone bid Brazil and Colombia just so they can go into sub and either turn it down at 125% or hope they aren't called? I get it that those are senior trips but they'd go even more senior and what about when Canada inevitably has the crew mandate? If France or China did it then the 777 would be completely shut down with pilots being unsuable in sub. Now you might have massive percentages that they're either going to have to pay 125% or pay to stay home. Why would they ever agree to that? In all honesty with how that would affect the 777 it'd probably shut down the airline.
Also... Imagine if they did just put you in sub? Wouldn't everyone bid Brazil and Colombia just so they can go into sub and either turn it down at 125% or hope they aren't called? I get it that those are senior trips but they'd go even more senior and what about when Canada inevitably has the crew mandate? If France or China did it then the 777 would be completely shut down with pilots being unsuable in sub. Now you might have massive percentages that they're either going to have to pay 125% or pay to stay home. Why would they ever agree to that? In all honesty with how that would affect the 777 it'd probably shut down the airline.
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