Open Letter re retiree health costs
10-29-2019, 01:13 PM
#32
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That’s when we say, “fine, then leave first year pay rate, training pay, and no hotel room during training as is.”
They cannot increase that unless they negotiate it. When they want it, it’s leverage. At some point, they will want it. So just wait.
10-29-2019, 01:27 PM
#33
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Joined APC: Sep 2007
Position: 777 Captain in Training
Posts: 1,457
Dang sort of like voting no on the last contract!
10-29-2019, 04:16 PM
#34
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Joined APC: Apr 2006
Position: 767 CA
Posts: 1,876
We've had a whole lot more leverage than that and didn't do anything with it.
10-29-2019, 05:11 PM
#35
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Joined APC: Jan 2018
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I realize it seems to be conventional wisdom that requiring management to treat newbies like $h|t somehow gives the pilot group extra leverage. But I still can’t help but wonder if treating the newbies like that doesn’t undermine pilot solidarity from day one. Telling the newbie that the pilot group doesn’t value him/her as much as the regional they just left values them sends a ‘screw solidarity, every man for himself’ message in their first year on the job.
10-29-2019, 06:03 PM
#36
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Joined APC: Mar 2006
Position: Crewmember
Posts: 1,396
Newbie pay was improved in the last contract.
They also get lots of free meals.
It took me until year 8 to get a right seat in a wide body.
The newbies are getting them right out of training.
If they don't like us, there are plenty of other places that are hiring, unlike in years past.
So, I don't feel sorry for them, and if they company can't get people to work here at some time in the future, perhaps they need to pony up.
They also get lots of free meals.
It took me until year 8 to get a right seat in a wide body.
The newbies are getting them right out of training.
If they don't like us, there are plenty of other places that are hiring, unlike in years past.
So, I don't feel sorry for them, and if they company can't get people to work here at some time in the future, perhaps they need to pony up.
10-29-2019, 09:36 PM
#37
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Posts: 2,141
I realize it seems to be conventional wisdom that requiring management to treat newbies like $h|t somehow gives the pilot group extra leverage. But I still can’t help but wonder if treating the newbies like that doesn’t undermine pilot solidarity from day one. Telling the newbie that the pilot group doesn’t value him/her as much as the regional they just left values them sends a ‘screw solidarity, every man for himself’ message in their first year on the job.
I’m a recent newbie. I’m not for treating them bad. What I’m saying is that with time, it’ll self correct. Management will be the ones wanting to compensate newbies more. At that time, we say sure, what will you give us in return?
10-29-2019, 09:41 PM
#38
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Position: MD11 FO
Posts: 1,126
What was the leverage? This idea that there was freight left on the deck in summer of 2015 is just total BS. It was being left maybe in May/Jun but by July/Aug, when we actually were in the final stages, it was all moving. Anyone ever protect min days off? Don't think I ever saw that..ah the leverage. What a myth. Wish we were stronger.
10-30-2019, 02:15 AM
#39
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Joined APC: Sep 2007
Position: AERO
Posts: 161
What was the leverage? This idea that there was freight left on the deck in summer of 2015 is just total BS. It was being left maybe in May/Jun but by July/Aug, when we actually were in the final stages, it was all moving. Anyone ever protect min days off? Don't think I ever saw that..ah the leverage. What a myth. Wish we were stronger.
10-30-2019, 01:08 PM
#40
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Joined APC: Jun 2018
Posts: 1,838
Absolutely false and inaccurate. My phone was ringing constantly, as were others that I spoke to. Anecdotal, I know, but still. And peak hadn't even hit yet. If what you said above helps you sleep better with your YES vote, so be it, but don't try to re-write history even though you "won".
Last edited by Noworkallplay; 10-30-2019 at 01:45 PM.
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