TheBlueBaron

Attrition among the FO's I have flown with in DFW is off the chart. I know 2 FO's just left for DL, 1 Spirit, and at least 7 to Envoy with several others interviewing soon. An FO (and any CA with 10+ yrs left) would be crazy to stay on the LASA side.

Way better opportunities than being forced over to the ERJ side are available. If I wouldn't have been able to make the move up, I would have left for Envoy early next year rather than going to the ERJ side. (Big bonus, quick upgrade, and NO desire to stick around and help inc.).

IMO, LASA will not be able to staff the additional 22 700's (unless 20 year and under CA's are willing to downgrade [which I don't know why they would]). The 20 AA 700's at DFW will eventually go to SKYW (when the contract is up in 2019) because of the expense of keeping such a small fleet. XJT will be a strictly 145 operator for UAL. (At least until SKYW can staff it, or attrition becomes so great over there that it can't survive).

AMNegron

The ERJs are currently operating planned block hours. As we all know, lower levels of block hours is normal this time of year. In addition, this year was planned to be lower due to the original plan for the loss of aircraft aka. UAL reallocated the flying prior to the new agreement. However, until we can staff more aircraft and block hours, do not expect to see any additional flying.

SkipperBaloo

Every FO I've flown with is either making a lateral move or moving up. Not a single person intends to stay after January from those that are remaining. If this announcement is coming it needs to come soon or there won't be anybody left to benefit from it

Nevjets

What announcement exactly are you referring to?

Blackhawk

Oh, you know, UAL is buying us. This time though, it's serious. A friend of an FA is going with a guy who's a ramper and his mom is a gate agent who is dating a guy who's son's wife's uncle is a janitor at UAL HQ and said it's true. So it must be serious.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QIduL2QY7AA

CaseTractor

I've heard this rumor, but how would it even work? The logistics seem impossible and what would the benefit be to UAL when they have plenty of applicants as is?

You can't just add 2000 pilots to a list and even mixing them in a percentage a month would take years.

Has something like this ever happened before, or just a carrot to keep people hanging on through the holidays, or until the next CPA is up to speed?

Blackhawk

I don't see UAL purchasing us and stapling the list, but running it as a wholly owned. Currently, UAL is the only legacy not doing this and I think they will see many of their regionals parking airplanes if they don't jump in. As it is, I think a very small percentage (if any), LASA pilots who are making lateral moves are going to UAL feeders. Almost all are going to DAL/AAL feeders.

jacburn

That is a pipe dream that will never happen. The UA flight attendants will not allow a wholly owned regional. It has been in their contract since the 80's I believe.

Look in loa 25 for the full language.
http://unitedafa.org/contract/2016-2...jcba-final.pdf

The FA union made some cash back in the day because UA bought Air whiskey at one point.


https://www.ainonline.com/aviation-n...cope-violation

Nevjets

That language is not as fool proof as people make it out to be. But seeing as that UAL management of 30 years ago (when the airline industry and regionals in particular with their code-sharing were an entirely different animal) got burned on it, they may be shy depending on how bad they want it. They can just pay off the AFA and get it changed.

I'm not saying it's going to happen. I'm just saying that there are at least two ways to make it happen if UAL really wants to.

Blackhawk

I agree it's not likely. I wouldn't be surprised if the rumor was started to get more of us suckers to stick around longer for the wind-down of the DAL contract.