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Old 04-29-2015, 04:12 PM
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Originally Posted by wmupilot85
Or maybe a new TA where captains can sit as FO's, but limited to a certain percentage (maybe reserve only?) and then upgrades can continue, and we will eventually see higher pay? Just thinking outside the box here.
I like thinking outside the box, but I am a little skeptical about having a reserve pilot that can be used as both a captain and a first officer. Can you imagine the abuse from Crew Scheduling? How about the pay?
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Old 04-29-2015, 04:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Truman_Sparks
The biggest problem with upgrades is the FO attrition. When 25 FO's leave per month, they have to hire to cover the FO's. If you upgrade 20 to Captain, and 20 FO's leave you have to find 40 new hires to replace them. Can't get that many people. The alternative is to downsize.
Why don't you become one of the FOs that leave?
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PSA hiring street captains now, i expect more FOs to bail and upgrades will decline again.
I don't think that is true. If you read some of their thread it appears as though the new requirement is to make upgrades harder not easier.
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Old 04-29-2015, 04:43 PM
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Originally Posted by tom11011
I don't think that is true. If you read some of their thread it appears as though the new requirement is to make upgrades harder not easier.
I agree with that. At least today upgrade time is not as asymptotic as it was a few months ago.
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Old 04-29-2015, 05:39 PM
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Originally Posted by wmupilot85
Or maybe a new TA where captains can sit as FO's, but limited to a certain percentage (maybe reserve only?) and then upgrades can continue, and we will eventually see higher pay? Just thinking outside the box here.
We used to do that. FOs never flew and captains flew twice as much. You'd sit in a crash pad full of FOs and get called out to sit right seat. When you asked Skd if there were FOs to do the trip they would of course lie and say no, that wouldn't change. Plus the year it would take to qual the captains during AQP would just add to the complexity.
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Old 04-29-2015, 05:52 PM
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Originally Posted by AtlCSIP
I like thinking outside the box, but I am a little skeptical about having a reserve pilot that can be used as both a captain and a first officer. Can you imagine the abuse from Crew Scheduling? How about the pay?
Pay is simple - You're a captain, you're on captain pay. This is a deterrent for the company to not want to use you for that position (why pay all captains rates, when there are FO's), but it also gives flexibility. Also allows for more upgrades, more progression, people being able to log PIC time, and higher wages for those individuals.
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Old 04-29-2015, 06:28 PM
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Originally Posted by AceyCandler
100+ credit hours on FO pay plus your choice of days off

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75 hour guarantee on Capt Pay & forever on reserve

Hmmmmm…… decisions decisions…
9 year FO $47 x 129hours = $6,063.00

9 year Captain $81 x 75 hours = $6,075.00

I'm not sure you could consistently do 129 hours, I never have. I'm also guessing quality of life is actually a little better sitting reserve and hitting guarentee.
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Old 04-29-2015, 08:16 PM
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Originally Posted by unit monster
9 year FO $47 x 129hours = $6,063.00

9 year Captain $81 x 75 hours = $6,075.00

I'm not sure you could consistently do 129 hours, I never have. I'm also guessing quality of life is actually a little better sitting reserve and hitting guarentee.
I've only been over 100 hours once in 4 1/2 years, and actually had to work pretty hard to do it. I think I would much rather be on reserve as a Captain and make guarantee.
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Old 04-30-2015, 02:26 AM
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Originally Posted by wmupilot85
Pay is simple - You're a captain, you're on captain pay. This is a deterrent for the company to not want to use you for that position (why pay all captains rates, when there are FO's), but it also gives flexibility. Also allows for more upgrades, more progression, people being able to log PIC time, and higher wages for those individuals.
Never expect what makes financial or common sense. You'll only be disappointed.

We used to fly captains in the right seat and leave FOs at home because we were fat on captains. It's what we do.
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Old 04-30-2015, 04:47 AM
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Originally Posted by AtlCSIP
I've only been over 100 hours once in 4 1/2 years, and actually had to work pretty hard to do it. I think I would much rather be on reserve as a Captain and make guarantee.
Well, if you're senior enough, you can hold trips that get you 22-24 hours of credit per trip. do 4 four days and grab a nap = over 100 hours credit.

I agree. An FO will REALLy have to bust his balls to get close to the same as a captain on guarantee. But, have you ever sat reserve for long at ASA? The prospects of upgrading into a reserve slot on the captain side and sitting there for years isn't that appealing. All the movement is on the bottom end of the captain list, reserve slots being vacated by other reserve captains who've made the jump. I wouldn't ever anticipate being a Captain at ASA and having partial weekends off with a good chance of seeing your family around the holidays consistently.
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