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Old 03-12-2015, 07:39 AM
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Originally Posted by ross9238
I get that you are trying to spend as much time with your kids as possible but look at it as time vested to move up the ladder so that you can get more days off and also provide more for yourself and their future.

That's really the mentality I've taken. Of course being at the bottom of the seniority list means being back on reserve with min days off again and thus seeing your kids even less. But eventually it pays off, hopefully.
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Old 03-12-2015, 10:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Captain Tony
My generation didn't choose 9/11. We didn't choose the 2003-2004 recession and layoffs. We didn't choose age 65. We didn't choose the crash of 2008.
So I guess as FO's we were immune to all of that. Everything that you mentioned there has had an effect on everyone's lives not just professionally but personally so I would "Save IT"..
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Old 03-12-2015, 11:11 AM
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Originally Posted by ross9238
So I guess as FO's we were immune to all of that. Everything that you mentioned there has had an effect on everyone's lives not just professionally but personally so I would "Save IT"..

And he's a contract negotiator.


Aren't you glad to see your seniority group is well represented in the contract negotiations.. "Woe is me!! The rest of you stuck on an 8 year payscale slinging gear can SAVE IT!"
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Old 03-12-2015, 05:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Captain Tony
No, it's more like for those of us who got into this industry pre-9/11, the rules keep changing. Just when we think we have a chance of advancement, the bar gets raised or moved.

I'm sorry, but we aren't a bunch of entitlement generation hipsters who got everything handed to us. I'm an experienced pilot, a darn good one, with a 20 year spotless flying record, and a 4 year degree from a major university. That SHOULD be enough. Excuse us if we feel like chasing job fairs (which UAL is now saying gives you no extra points) shouldn't be necessary.

And the regional lifer comments are really getting old. About as old as the whining from the right seats about lack of upgrade. My generation didn't choose 9/11. We didn't choose the 2003-2004 recession and layoffs. We didn't choose age 65. We didn't choose the crash of 2008. Now we have to hear smart mouthed 20 and 30 somethings lecture us about our networking skills and demean us for enjoying captaining a 76 seat jet for over $100k a year while they get hired at the jobs we've been applying to for 10 years? Save it.
Hey Tony - have you ever had a chance to interview at a Major?
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Old 03-12-2015, 05:48 PM
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Originally Posted by unit monster
Hey Tony - have you ever had a chance to interview at a Major?
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Old 03-12-2015, 10:16 PM
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The best thing about the interwebz is how the ad-hominem attacks come out when you strike a nerve...
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Old 03-13-2015, 08:02 AM
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Come on fellas, let's keep it civil. Those who want to move on will and those who want to stay will stay.
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Old 03-13-2015, 09:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Captain Tony
enjoying captaining a 76 seat jet for over $100k a year
Honest question, Tony. The majority of the lifers at XJT are pulling over $100k a year. How will this kind of payroll affect the long term competitive nature of our company say in 5-20 years? Should a 45 year old pilot at ASA count on another 20 years of viability before retirement? Folks (including myself) are having to make that decision right now and I'm curious what you'd predict ASA will look like in 5-20 years.

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Old 03-13-2015, 01:12 PM
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Honest question, Tony. The majority of the lifers at XJT are pulling over $100k a year. How will this kind of payroll affect the long term competitive nature of our company say in 5-20 years? Should a 45 year old pilot at ASA count on another 20 years of viability before retirement? Folks (including myself) are having to make that decision right now and I'm curious what you'd predict ASA will look like in 5-20 years.

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You're really worried that underpaid regional pilots make too much?? Really??? Every single regional is having staffing issues because management has been able to lower pay and benefits so much that this career has become impossible to justify for new entrants.
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Old 03-13-2015, 06:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Paid2fly
You're really worried that underpaid regional pilots make too much?? Really??? Every single regional is having staffing issues because management has been able to lower pay and benefits so much that this career has become impossible to justify for new entrants.
I never said that underpaid regional pilots "make too much." Go back and reread what I wrote.
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