What's the Latest at ASA/Expressjet?
06-05-2012, 04:57 PM
#81
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Posts: 161
Captain? Been at the regionals longer than you ever imagined? Just because you're bitter doesn't mean you should close your eyes and mind. You're fooling yourself but that's fine, stay that way and be sure not to submit any apps the the legacy carriers. That'll be one less person I have to compete with. (If you are at a legacy carrier already, become another statistic and just retire already. Doesn't sound like you're someone I'd like to fly with)
themselves, why would they sell their pilots? I suggest you reread my post and maybe grab a tissue because that fantasy world you are living in will NEVER happen.
06-06-2012, 04:58 AM
#82
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Joined APC: Apr 2007
Posts: 243
Nope, not a captain. Still an FO at xjt. I'm not bitter, I knew what I was getting into and how this whole industry is just a crap shoot. I don't know where you saw any bitterness in my post. I'm sorry I may have hurt your wittle feelings being real. It's just LOGIC, if the regionals can't staff
themselves, why would they sell their pilots? I suggest you reread my post and maybe grab a tissue because that fantasy world you are living in will NEVER happen.
themselves, why would they sell their pilots? I suggest you reread my post and maybe grab a tissue because that fantasy world you are living in will NEVER happen.
I was disputing your pessimistic "I'm never gonna get to leave this place, never gonna be a pilot shortage" post
06-06-2012, 06:19 AM
#83
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Position: In favor of good things, not in favor of bad things
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For the love of god, please tape this and make it into a 60 second or less video. Then you can both enter it in the "This is My Expressjet" employee film series!
I'll vote for you so that you may win honor, or prestige, but not both!
Did anyone else have their blood pressure skyrocket when they saw this? I mean, is this the same lady who brought us SureJet?
Nyan Cat [original] - YouTube
I can't wait to submit mine. I'm just going to put my face on the cat because that rainbow shooting out of the cats poptart pooper, is the same rainbow the HR lady sees while staring off blankly into space coming up with more ideas to waste time and money and validate a degree.
I'll vote for you so that you may win honor, or prestige, but not both!
Did anyone else have their blood pressure skyrocket when they saw this? I mean, is this the same lady who brought us SureJet?
Nyan Cat [original] - YouTube
I can't wait to submit mine. I'm just going to put my face on the cat because that rainbow shooting out of the cats poptart pooper, is the same rainbow the HR lady sees while staring off blankly into space coming up with more ideas to waste time and money and validate a degree.
Holy crap, that made me laugh so hard!
06-06-2012, 08:39 AM
#84
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Joined APC: Dec 2007
Position: EMB 145 CPT
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Not to send the thread in an entirely different direction, but I can't imagine one reason why the SLI would or should favor ASA. Because they have a few people that have been there forever? Despite what many over there seem to think, they didn't buy us. They had no involvement in our purchase at all; they were simply acquired by Skywest.
But ASA wasn't in all that great of a share financially either. You are now the second lowest DCI carrier. THAT is why XJT was bought by Inc and merged with ASA as opposed to the arrangement they wanted a couple years earlier.
So no, no one saved anyone.
unlike XJET who had been loosing money year after year. While airlines seem to stay alive for decades no matter how much money they loose, the writing was on the wall, XJET was on course for a possible ch 11 if it's luck did not turn around, stem the bleeding, and produce profits.
Fact: ASA would not agree to fly the 8 700s at a loss. GoJet agreed to.
Expressjet lost flying for many more than 8 ERJs to continental. After failing a self branded operation, expressjet came back and agreed to fly the ERJs that it lost to continental at a loss (aka gojet style).
While this sucks, it's better than parking those ERJs all together. It's just funny how you bring up that ASA is in trouble because of the loss of 8 700s when XJET already had to deal with the same situation.
The alternative would've been handing over 69 airplanes to Republic.
By the way, CAL has now brought back 8 airplanes from the boneyard.
Last edited by Nevets; 06-06-2012 at 08:55 AM.
06-06-2012, 08:58 AM
#85
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It's not paid. They usually nab u at the end of a trip for those tests anyways. It sucks at takes up about 20 min of your time. It's regulatory and mandated by the government, so that's probably why they get away with not paying us to do a drug test. I'm not sure if any airline pays u to take a **** test.
06-06-2012, 08:59 AM
#86
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As a result of the new ATP requirement for pilots in part 121 operations, what will be the impact on pilot supply for part 121 operations? For part 135 operations? For part 141 pilot schools? For Part 142 training centers?
The new ATP requirements will adversely impact the staffing needs of all air carrier operations. Since October 2010, ExpressJet has hired approximately 790 pilots. The rules currently proposed would have eliminated almost 400 pilots that ExpressJet hired. That equates to the staffing of approximately 40 aircraft that could have potentially been parked on the ramp due to lack of staffing. With the Aug. 1, 2013 First Officer ATP requirement rapidly approaching, ExpressJet has been adjusting hiring requirements to meet the requirements of the law. In March 2012, the airline ran out of applicants who had the qualifications that meet public law 111-216. This has occurred 17 months prior to the enactment date. It is obvious that a pilot supply shortage has already occurred and will only deepen as retirements and other regulatory enactments occur. It should also be considered that pilots, who are already burdened with high debt loads exiting training, will now have to come up with additional funding to bridge the gap in flight time to be qualified for air carrier employment.
For those who think that the pilot shortage will never come. well here it is...
The new ATP requirements will adversely impact the staffing needs of all air carrier operations. Since October 2010, ExpressJet has hired approximately 790 pilots. The rules currently proposed would have eliminated almost 400 pilots that ExpressJet hired. That equates to the staffing of approximately 40 aircraft that could have potentially been parked on the ramp due to lack of staffing. With the Aug. 1, 2013 First Officer ATP requirement rapidly approaching, ExpressJet has been adjusting hiring requirements to meet the requirements of the law. In March 2012, the airline ran out of applicants who had the qualifications that meet public law 111-216. This has occurred 17 months prior to the enactment date. It is obvious that a pilot supply shortage has already occurred and will only deepen as retirements and other regulatory enactments occur. It should also be considered that pilots, who are already burdened with high debt loads exiting training, will now have to come up with additional funding to bridge the gap in flight time to be qualified for air carrier employment.
For those who think that the pilot shortage will never come. well here it is...
06-06-2012, 09:05 AM
#87
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Yes, about 180 days. Its all spelled out in the transitions and process agreement. Even the part about flush bids, which has nothing to do with pinnacle, by the way.
06-06-2012, 09:29 AM
#88
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Joined APC: Jul 2010
Position: CRJ
Posts: 419
I just wanted to say how I love these discussions. They go from legitimate discussions about our airline, to bicker arguments about who has the bigger johnson. Who cares who bought who, or what condition the separate airlines were in, or about the certificate. The past is the past, get over it. We are all in the same boat now, so what happens here effects everyone. In a few months (I hope anyway), we will all be on the same seniority list, and whatever flying is lost or gained will affect everyone, whether you were originally at ASA or ExpressJet. Whether you think ASA is better of XJT is better. No matter how much you hate it, we are all the same now. There is no more XJT or ASA, or one side growing or shrinking. Its like some fairy tale where there was never a merger. Grow the F up and act like professional, adult, airline pilots for Christ sake. I can't wait for this thing to be completed, just so I can stop hearing this crap. Rant over. Thank you
06-06-2012, 09:39 AM
#89
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As a result of the new ATP requirement for pilots in part 121 operations, what will be the impact on pilot supply for part 121 operations? For part 135 operations? For part 141 pilot schools? For Part 142 training centers?
The new ATP requirements will adversely impact the staffing needs of all air carrier operations. Since October 2010, ExpressJet has hired approximately 790 pilots. The rules currently proposed would have eliminated almost 400 pilots that ExpressJet hired. That equates to the staffing of approximately 40 aircraft that could have potentially been parked on the ramp due to lack of staffing. With the Aug. 1, 2013 First Officer ATP requirement rapidly approaching, ExpressJet has been adjusting hiring requirements to meet the requirements of the law. In March 2012, the airline ran out of applicants who had the qualifications that meet public law 111-216. This has occurred 17 months prior to the enactment date. It is obvious that a pilot supply shortage has already occurred and will only deepen as retirements and other regulatory enactments occur. It should also be considered that pilots, who are already burdened with high debt loads exiting training, will now have to come up with additional funding to bridge the gap in flight time to be qualified for air carrier employment.
For those who think that the pilot shortage will never come. well here it is...
The new ATP requirements will adversely impact the staffing needs of all air carrier operations. Since October 2010, ExpressJet has hired approximately 790 pilots. The rules currently proposed would have eliminated almost 400 pilots that ExpressJet hired. That equates to the staffing of approximately 40 aircraft that could have potentially been parked on the ramp due to lack of staffing. With the Aug. 1, 2013 First Officer ATP requirement rapidly approaching, ExpressJet has been adjusting hiring requirements to meet the requirements of the law. In March 2012, the airline ran out of applicants who had the qualifications that meet public law 111-216. This has occurred 17 months prior to the enactment date. It is obvious that a pilot supply shortage has already occurred and will only deepen as retirements and other regulatory enactments occur. It should also be considered that pilots, who are already burdened with high debt loads exiting training, will now have to come up with additional funding to bridge the gap in flight time to be qualified for air carrier employment.
For those who think that the pilot shortage will never come. well here it is...
http://m.whitehouse.gov/sites/defaul...10122011-1.pdf
06-06-2012, 09:39 AM
#90
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Position: CRJ
Posts: 419
I really hope the l-ASA side starts growing more. As I've said before, I really want to get back to Atlanta, not to mention several great friends I have that are middle-pack FO's I'd like to see upgrade eventually.
If there is a fence for "several" years I'm going to be really depressed. I was hoping that I'd have a shot to be back in Atlanta within 2 to 3 years tops of being hired at expressjet. If it takes another year before SLI and another two before having the chance to get back home that's going to put me in a tough spot.
If there is a fence for "several" years I'm going to be really depressed. I was hoping that I'd have a shot to be back in Atlanta within 2 to 3 years tops of being hired at expressjet. If it takes another year before SLI and another two before having the chance to get back home that's going to put me in a tough spot.
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