IrishNJ

So you'll turn down a pay raise because the L-xjt side will still have a better contract, seems pretty silly. L-xjt guys will never vote for any sort of concession so this seems the definition of "cutting off your nose to spite your face".

L-asa guys don't subsidize anything. Inc. wanted to control the UAL 50 seaters and it cost them more than they expected.

gojo

I don't have a dog in this fight, but doesn't Skywest look to your contract for wages and benefits for their pilots? I can understand that between a union group and a non-union group, but it doesn't make sense between two union groups especially operating under the same name. Maybe they should also consider changing the names back too?

PeezDog

Does anyone know of other past mergers where one side was grandfathered? Or where there were two separate contracts or different rules for the acquired pilot group with a new contract after a merge? I'm not talking about fences either.

gojo

That's my point different groups that have been acquired by other companies, like Compass for example, have been kept separate or merged.

ASAsig

I get what you're saying, but Compass was bought by the holding company. ExpressJet was bought by ASA. yeah yeah, bought with the holding company's money, but still brought onto the ASA side of things immediately.

PeezDog

I'm with you man. I agree it should be one. I think it makes for a stronger pilot group and company. Especially if there is no precedent. Wasting negotiating capital on the rest of us and future pilots, so a select few keep their benifits. It makes no sense to me.

However, if the price is right and it means we can finally be done with this and it the only way it will be done, I would be willing to consider it. Or we can just let the ERJ side whither and die and also be done with it.

Nevets

They have three things for which they have a me too clause. Their total compensation and work rules are not as good as the xjt contract.

It makes total sense unless you are for 2/3 of the pilots taking a concessions. I rather they change the names.


Wasting negotiating capital? I honestly don't think you are seeing this from the ERJ pilots' point of view. We are talking about 2/3 of the pilot group, not a select few. I know you rather use the negotiating capital of the ERJ contract to improve your select few. Why can't we just keep what we have rather than the majority taking concessions? I don't understand the mentality of being upset because your neighbor has it better when you didn't give up anything. We should be talking about bringing you guys up rather than brining us down.

If the price is wrong (meaning concessions), then I rather wither and die. I'm absolutely fine with that. But that's just me. I know not everyone has planned for a plan b.

404yxl

I hope the majority of the ASA pilots don't feel this way. From the majority of their posts on hear, I fear otherwise.

The XJT pilots shouldn't have to take any concessions for their benefit. The XJT pilots already make well under what a airline pilot should make. To think the ASA or Skywest pilots saved them from anything is a joke.

I guess you all have missed the part where it would be near impossible to replace the XJT with the ATP minimums unless all that flying completely disappeared through overall regional fleet size reduction with that flying returning to mainline. I'm sure the XJT pilots would rather see their flying go there than take any concessions in this environment.

IrishNJ

I don't see the difference? Inc. bought ASA, then Inc. bought Xjt with Inc.'s money and since we're both Union, they merged ASA and Xjt. Asa is just another company taken over by Inc. just like Xjt.

PeezDog

We'll agree to disagree. We'll see what they come up with and go from there. I see a contract with one set of rules and one set of benefits for everyone as beneficial for both groups and every pilot, not just ASA pilots. A stronger pilot group, and good all a round contract, is good for us and the company. Since they provide me with a job and it's where I earn my pay that provides me with a roof and food, I kinda care about them too. Just my opinion. Those with children probably feel even more concerned about losing their jobs. Your plane B better be a good one if your family is going to be okay if they're furloughs.

I don't want to see anyone lose their jobs, btw. But that's the reality of the situation. We figure this out, or there maybe be people on the street. Hopefully attrition will keep up