Nevets

You want everyone else to comprise solely for your benefit. How is that not the definition of entitlement? What I propose is that each side keeps what they have. What you propose is redistribution of one side for the benefit of the other. Because you can't seem to live with yourself that your neighbor has got it a little better than you.

So who really is Obama here? Not me. Go look in the mirror.



Excluding special items, Skywest inc made money. They chose to have the expenses of operating two separate airlines, not the pilots. So if there is a profit problem, it certainly isn't any pilots' fault.

With your logic, the profit problem lies with Skywest airlines since they spent the most time talking about them.

But at least we are starting to get back to the operational performance we had before Skywest bought us. And that is despite CC's excuse that the reason why is because we were too big when they bought us. Before that, we had 274 aircraft and were consistently putting up better numbers year after year.

Whiplash6

Because they spent most of the call talking about returning ERJs and closing ERJ hubs.

PeezDog

I reply for my own entertainment. The ONLY argument I made was that it is better for us to have one solid contract for everyone. One set of rules. I never told you to give up anything. Go look at my posts.

PeezDog

I reply for my own entertainment. The ONLY argument I made was that it is better for us to have one solid contract for everyone. One set of rules. I never told you to give up anything. Go look at my posts. I even said you can keep your precious outliers if you want. Wanting to stay separately coming from an XJT guy is so hypocritical. Wasn't it your side that wanted to merge all 3 together, but now you want to stay separate? And let me ask you how can we have a SLI if we have two separate contracts? What of new hires?

Nevets

No you did not. You scoffed at the idea that each side keep what they have by grandfathering the erj guys. But you are hung up on your neighbor having it just a bit better than you.

I'm all for you guys getting everything we have that is good and vice versa. If that cannot happen because management refuses to increase pilot labor cost, then what other alternative is there than that we each keep what we have? But nope, you get all hurt about that.



You are changing your story now. I'm the one who said we should keep what he have by grandfathering the ERJ guys but you didn't like that. We talked about getting the best of both contracts but that may not be possible. So the only alternative is to have two separate rules.

I'm all for a 3 way merger and still am. Remember I'm the one who coined the term One List or NOTHING. But the fact is that the ERJ MEC caved in that. But yeah, I rather stay separate if the alternative is that we only merge the ASA/xjt list leaving Skywest out AND taking concessions. It's not hypocritical at all.

Lastly, I'm not talking about two separate contracts. You need to think outside the box. There would be rules for the ERJ aircraft and rules for the other aircraft. This is not rocket science here.

wmupilot85

So a brand new hire, could theoretically quit for 2-3 weeks, then reapply and get the bonus. Not like they would say no, they need the bodies.

AtlCSIP

Actually, no. They would not require retraining until they pass their grace month (13 months from check ride). The notice says that the first check comes 3-10 days after training.

Speedbird2263

The EFB LOA is out. I'm not quite sure if I'm fond of the reimbursement bit should one leave the company. I would think the device if in good condition should be able to be given back at no cost to the pilot. (I suppose that applies if you sell it back but the onus remains with the pilot to find a buyer). Glad to see the process in the final stretch though, everyone especially commuters will welcome the reprieve I'm sure.

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motormadness

I can't believe the union negotiated in favor of writing that into the MOU. But they know they have to buy 7,000 of them between all 3 groups and we all know the reality is all 3 sides will shrink. Yeah, they could just give the device to your replacement, but that's the thing, as people leave for the most part, they don't need new FO's. They'll be left holding a tablet that was obsolete before they even purchased them and nobody who will need to use it. It's probably also a cheap, desperate attempt to slow attrition too.

Whiplash6

It absolutely is being used to slow attrition. Why else put out an LOA and hype EFB's 4 months before they expect them to rollout?