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Old 02-04-2015, 05:23 AM
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Maybe if the ASA MEC used it's resources to bargain in good faith rather than producing a series of videos to spread lies and fears regarding SmartPref, then we'd see some progress on a new TA.
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Old 02-04-2015, 05:25 AM
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Maybe if the ASA MEC used it's resources to bargain in good faith rather than producing a series of videos to spread lies and fears regarding SmartPref, then we'd see some progress on a new TA.
Good one. What resources will get the XJT MEC to focus on a JCBA instead of a new PBS system? I'm all ears.
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Old 02-04-2015, 05:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Captain Tony
What were you doing in the late 90s, Pops? Anyone who wanted a job back then had to "pay to play". You just pointed the finger at thousands of pilots. What makes you better than all of them?
I was working my way up at that time. Never PFT. I had my standards. Thanks for coming to his defense. Did I touch a nerve ?Good luck though.
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Old 02-04-2015, 06:54 AM
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Do any of you guys think Delta is not hiring Captains on purpose? It's hard to think just because you have 4,000 hours pic you can't be trained.
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Old 02-04-2015, 08:05 AM
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Originally Posted by motormadness
They already did that! They should go back and read their data from exactly a year ago. They probably even recycled the same email.
I'm just passing along the information. I just wanted to point out that it seems like the wheels are turning, at least on the ERJ side.

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You cannot be serious. It's difficult to engage in three way negotiations when the other two parties aren't willing to negotiate. The ASA MEC has had a plan ready to execute since the TA failed. We showed up at the first and only post-TA negotiating session last summer prepared and authorized to negotiate down to our bottom line. We presented the joint "opener" with the XJT side and management laughed us out of the room, asking for the real proposal. Then the XJT side dropped the bomb that it WAS their bottom line and since they had a new MEC, they lacked authorization to negotiate further. Next they announced that they only wanted to talk about PBS, and that's where we've been since.

So spare me your sarcasm and hate. The ASA CNC is going to have at least one opening soon, I hope you apply. I'm sure you will single handedly wrap it all up in a month.
Wait, I thought you guys said that you got feedback (no phone or internet polls) from line pilots telling you that supposedly the reason why they voted no was because of the PBS issue? Now you are saying that your mec had a plan right after the TA failed? How can they have a plan if they didn't know the actual reason of the failure? Or maybe they had a plan and didn't care what the line pilots had to say?

And what the XJT MEC said was true. The MEC chair and every single voting member other than two of them were replaced after the failed TA vote. The XJT MEC conducted a scientific phone poll and internet poll to see what was the reason why their pilots voted no. They had no real authority to negotiate before that.

As for the "joint" opener, by definition, it isn't joint if you didn't agree to it with the XJT MEC. So it sounds like to me that you guys just had your plan and stomped and kicked when you didn't get your way. Well, look at how that has turned out. Your MEC has wasted all this time on PBS just to be slapped down by an arbitrator and we are no closer now than we were a year ago.

So spare me your revisionist history again. You have a propensity to do that over and over again. Or are you going to go back and admit that Acey is actually two syllables now?

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What were you doing in the late 90s, Pops? Anyone who wanted a job back then had to "pay to play". You just pointed the finger at thousands of pilots. What makes you better than all of them?
This is not true. I had a job in the late 90s and didn't pay anyone for it. I purposely stayed away until that garbage was done.

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Good one. What resources will get the XJT MEC to focus on a JCBA instead of a new PBS system? I'm all ears.
The XJT MEC can chew gum and walk at the same time. Its the ASA MEC who didn't want to negotiate anything until they dealt with the PBS issue. The XJT MEC could've just as easily dealt with smartpref while working on another TA. So don't try to blame this on anyone else. Its your MEC who stalled this just to argue about PBS!

Anyway, the XJT MEC is now focusing their resources on another TA since your mec lost the arbitration. Unless your mec will find some other way to stall?
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Old 02-04-2015, 03:11 PM
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Pi$$ off Luis. Take your broken record preaching back to The Pipe. I'm not playing your BS Jedi mind games any more. You're a line pilot who knows only what their propaganda tells you. Why you feel empowered to be their unappointed MEC spokesperson, I'll never understand.
Jedi mind tricks? You give me way too much credit. Besides, I'm just going off of what you have said in the past. You have said your pilots voted no solely on PBS and thats why you fought it. But now the truth comes out even though we all knew the real story. Hopefully now that the arbitrator put you guys in your place, your mec will finally move on from that issue.
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Old 02-04-2015, 03:44 PM
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none of it maters unless xjt gets some new long term flying contracts
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Old 02-04-2015, 09:49 PM
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Originally Posted by JS31driver
none of it maters unless xjt gets some new long term flying contracts
PBS would help, new contract would help... To be honest!

I really don't see under what circumstance XJT(ERJ) will be awarded new flying. However, it's a great place to build time as FO and work the system to enjoy the QOL while you are in progress to major.
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Old 02-05-2015, 05:52 AM
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Of course turbine PIC is important and good... But in a few years do you think the majors will care as much about it? Or will 2000 sic turbine be enough to get in the door?
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Old 02-05-2015, 06:34 AM
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Originally Posted by EuroMexPilot
Maybe if the ASA MEC used it's resources to bargain in good faith rather than producing a series of videos to spread lies and fears regarding SmartPref, then we'd see some progress on a new TA.
Which lies would that be?
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