What's the Latest at ASA/Expressjet?
11-22-2014, 08:09 PM
#8071
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Joined APC: Apr 2009
Position: A320 CA
Posts: 706
Cant believe you guys are still fighting over PBS!! Do you see whats going on around you!! TSA,Mesa,PDT,PSA are all getting flying XJT should have!! Instead your so focused on PBS you don't even see the 3 year XJT plan of extinction... I firmly believe if you had a joint contract right now you would be flying E175's and more 900's...by the time you get a PBS deal on the XJT side you will only have 1 year to use it!! With 1/3 of the pilots that could have used it...
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11-22-2014, 08:48 PM
#8072
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Joined APC: Aug 2008
Position: CRJ
Posts: 235
Cant believe you guys are still fighting over PBS!! Do you see whats going on around you!! TSA,Mesa,PDT,PSA are all getting flying XJT should have!! Instead your so focused on PBS you don't even see the 3 year XJT plan of extinction... I firmly believe if you had a joint contract right now you would be flying E175's and more 900's...by the time you get a PBS deal on the XJT side you will only have 1 year to use it!! With 1/3 of the pilots that could have used it...
11-23-2014, 05:42 AM
#8073
Banned
Joined APC: Dec 2007
Position: EMB 145 CPT
Posts: 2,934
You are correct on the 3 days, but I've spoken to our sched chairman and he says it's doable to get it down to 0... It will take money and time to program and negotiate. Not gonna happen on its own. But fixable. You're right, it's working its way thru. I don't care if you take it personal or not, quit accusing me of it because I call out All your BS. Speaking of 3 days, do you not have "integration" days at the beginning of the month? How many of those days do you not have control over?
And "we" are not gonna agree to anything "again" that our QOL gets killed on to support your "outliers". I'm not talking about tomorrow, but after a JCBA...such as New equip? Or how about a brand new MEC that goes ahead and "sunsets" flightline? Yet you keep all your "outliers" at the expense of ASA's QOL... Not gonna happen, better hope you win the arbitration.
AnchorDown
And "we" are not gonna agree to anything "again" that our QOL gets killed on to support your "outliers". I'm not talking about tomorrow, but after a JCBA...such as New equip? Or how about a brand new MEC that goes ahead and "sunsets" flightline? Yet you keep all your "outliers" at the expense of ASA's QOL... Not gonna happen, better hope you win the arbitration.
AnchorDown
Well you guys are the only ones that keep bringing it up. Like you just did a couple of days ago on this thread. That conversation was completely dead, until you brought it up and referenced me specifically. So I do believe you are taking it personal. And don't take that personal either, it's just an observation.
As for the transition, yes we do have conflicts in the transition but we are still allowed to trade during the current month. I appreciate that you now admit that there is a lockout period (6 days as of now) but it's still disingenuous to say that it can be reduced to zero. Your system needs to know what your current schedule is while they are massaging your bid award to make it legal.
Anyway, we are not trying to kill your QOL. You get to keep flight line for the duration of the JCBA. And if it's as awesome as you say it is and smartpref is as horrible as you say, then we will all be on flight line. So what's the problem? That has nothing to do with our contract. We want the best of both contracts, regardless.
Now just relax and let the process work its way through already.
11-23-2014, 11:43 AM
#8074
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Joined APC: Jul 2010
Position: CRJ
Posts: 419
Well you guys are the only ones that keep bringing it up. Like you just did a couple of days ago on this thread. That conversation was completely dead, until you brought it up and referenced me specifically. So I do believe you are taking it personal. And don't take that personal either, it's just an observation.
As for the transition, yes we do have conflicts in the transition but we are still allowed to trade during the current month. I appreciate that you now admit that there is a lockout period (6 days as of now) but it's still disingenuous to say that it can be reduced to zero. Your system needs to know what your current schedule is while they are massaging your bid award to make it legal.
Anyway, we are not trying to kill your QOL. You get to keep flight line for the duration of the JCBA. And if it's as awesome as you say it is and smartpref is as horrible as you say, then we will all be on flight line. So what's the problem? That has nothing to do with our contract. We want the best of both contracts, regardless.
Now just relax and let the process work its way through already.
As for the transition, yes we do have conflicts in the transition but we are still allowed to trade during the current month. I appreciate that you now admit that there is a lockout period (6 days as of now) but it's still disingenuous to say that it can be reduced to zero. Your system needs to know what your current schedule is while they are massaging your bid award to make it legal.
Anyway, we are not trying to kill your QOL. You get to keep flight line for the duration of the JCBA. And if it's as awesome as you say it is and smartpref is as horrible as you say, then we will all be on flight line. So what's the problem? That has nothing to do with our contract. We want the best of both contracts, regardless.
Now just relax and let the process work its way through already.
11-23-2014, 11:53 AM
#8075
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Joined APC: May 2006
Position: A few
Posts: 166
This is like watching hobos fight over an old sandwich.
11-23-2014, 04:35 PM
#8076
Banned
Joined APC: Dec 2007
Position: EMB 145 CPT
Posts: 2,934
What's the Latest at ASA/Expressjet?
God, and you say we're thick. Get it threw your thick head, NO DUAL TRACKS ! Period. End of story. And I do take it personally when your MEC ignores the agreement to not negotiate behind our backs to sell us out. Meanwhile, we are missing out on flying and no one can upgrade
I do have a thick head. And stop calling me God.
Look, maybe there won't be dual tracks. I don't know. Let the process works it's way through. What is it you don't get about that?
Anyway, your negotiators have been part of all smartpref negotiations, as per the T&PA. If you are so concerned about missing flying, then just agree to the previously agreed to PBS process agreement. But you don't so I guess you have your priorities - flight line. And I'm ok with that. Like I said, each MEC is just doing what's in their pilots best interest.
Can we all calm down now and just let it be already?
11-23-2014, 05:47 PM
#8077
Line Holder
Joined APC: Jan 2014
Position: EMB 145 FO
Posts: 65
God, and you say we're thick. Get it threw your thick head, NO DUAL TRACKS ! Period. End of story. And I do take it personally when your MEC ignores the agreement to not negotiate behind our backs to sell us out. Meanwhile, we are missing out on flying and no one can upgrade
11-24-2014, 07:51 AM
#8078
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Joined APC: May 2014
Posts: 339
15 ERJs to fly in DFW beginning in March 2015...airframes coming from Envoy.
11-24-2014, 07:58 AM
#8079
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Joined APC: Aug 2007
Posts: 1,023
Sorry to see Eagle lose flying, but glad to see that at least it's going to a relatively well-compensated pilot group that is willing to vote down concessions. Also maybe we can get past some of the divisive "shut down the militant ERJ side and grow our reasonable CRJ side" rhetoric. Obviously management is not looking to shutdown the ERJ side anytime soon.
11-24-2014, 08:02 AM
#8080
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Joined APC: Jul 2014
Posts: 805
God, and you say we're thick. Get it threw your thick head, NO DUAL TRACKS ! Period. End of story. And I do take it personally when your MEC ignores the agreement to not negotiate behind our backs to sell us out. Meanwhile, we are missing out on flying and no one can upgrade
Demanding flightline to specifically benefit the top 10% in each seat is also pretty short sighted. The whole argument is ridiculous. Just flip a coin at this point and move on to the next 25 things you are going to fight like children over.
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