What's the Latest at ASA/Expressjet?
10-18-2014, 08:45 AM
#7791
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Joined APC: Mar 2011
Position: Grounded
Posts: 451
It's not and those birds are probably the oldest flying in the system for us.
10-18-2014, 11:28 AM
#7792
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Joined APC: May 2006
Position: A few
Posts: 166
I've heard the ERJ may get 20 or so airplanes renewed with UA at better rates.
10-18-2014, 12:14 PM
#7794
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Joined APC: May 2006
Position: A few
Posts: 166
That's 20 of the current 90 slated to go away.
10-18-2014, 10:16 PM
#7795
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Joined APC: May 2014
Posts: 339
No, the reason XJT sucks is because it's a regional. None of your annoying bickering is doing anything to better your situation. Management will do as they please despite your mind numbing internet cat fights.
For god sake man, 7 years and still an FO with no upgrade in sight and yet you stay at a regional anyway? Maybe you are the problem. Management has you right where they want you. You are a defeated scared little pilot who is unwilling or unable to do what it takes to get out and better your career.
For god sake man, 7 years and still an FO with no upgrade in sight and yet you stay at a regional anyway? Maybe you are the problem. Management has you right where they want you. You are a defeated scared little pilot who is unwilling or unable to do what it takes to get out and better your career.
10-18-2014, 10:21 PM
#7796
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Joined APC: May 2014
Posts: 339
"For example, aircraft that come off line with one carrier may have opportunity to be repurposed with another carrier at a better rate. We are bidding for flying among the regionals, and delivering strong performance positions us well." - AM
Minus the proofreading at the end.
A clue for what is to come. Also notice ASA has not had a displacement bid for IAD in a while. Signs of a mass bid. Those looking for upgrades that are within double digits good news. Those looking to get in, do not be fooled. It will not be massive growth, and there might be some reshuffling within XJT. Check back next week folks.
Minus the proofreading at the end.
A clue for what is to come. Also notice ASA has not had a displacement bid for IAD in a while. Signs of a mass bid. Those looking for upgrades that are within double digits good news. Those looking to get in, do not be fooled. It will not be massive growth, and there might be some reshuffling within XJT. Check back next week folks.
I saw this as well. However, I believe that the pending 9E shedding of 200s might have more to do with us being in limbo at the moment regarding the lack of a displacement bid from IAD. Also, the IAD base officially closes in March 2015, so while that is close, it is still 5+ months away...but yes, I am waiting for an announcement as well...more than likely it will not be groundbreaking, but if we can gain 12+ airplanes to cover to IAD closure that would be great for everyone as the attrition gains made in 2014 will be realized (currently they are not being realized) and much needed upgrades will occur. Attrition is bumping right along as well, which is helping.
10-19-2014, 08:58 AM
#7797
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Joined APC: Dec 2007
Position: EMB 145 CPT
Posts: 2,934
You first asked where the work rules for smartpref are and also asked why do we even need work rules. I was simply responding that the current relief line work rules are being used and new ones are being negotiated. But it certainly does make all the difference on the work rules, regardless of if you are line bidding, flight line, or any other PBS. My point being that we are talking about separate work rules for each system. But now I understand that this is all about not wanting separate work rules. There is no reason why we couldn't have two sets of work rules. I don't understand on the insistence with that. It doesn't make a difference to the erj guys if the CRJ guys have their own PBS work rules and vice versa. What's the big deal if we are all one pilot group when they are implemented?
Unfortunately, you didn't actually provide a solution. You have a couple of ideas, but no solution. A solution is "a means of solving a problem or dealing with a difficult situation." I don't see anything like that in your post.
For the record, I didn't say I wanted concessions. I have never said that. However, having spent a long time in business I understand that the term 'negotiate' means give and take on both sides. That being the case, if we can 'negotiate' a TA that provides better QOL for 90 percent of the pilot group and better pay (w2 pay, not pay rates) for 90% of the pilot group while utilizing the exact same benefits and work rules for all of us, I would vote for it, even if we lost OJI, Vacation low and some other outliers. That doesn't mean I want to give up anything. It does mean I am willing to look at the entire picture without getting hung up on one single issue.
As far as Vacation Low is concerned, I think it is one of the dumbest things a management team could ever agree to. It costs too much for no real return on investment. Do I like it? Absolutely. Do I use it? Of course. Is it a good idea for long term sustainability? No, which is probably why nobody else has it. Will I vote for a contract that changes it significantly? Yes, as long as the overall contract is better for most of us, and treats us all the same.
For the record, I didn't say I wanted concessions. I have never said that. However, having spent a long time in business I understand that the term 'negotiate' means give and take on both sides. That being the case, if we can 'negotiate' a TA that provides better QOL for 90 percent of the pilot group and better pay (w2 pay, not pay rates) for 90% of the pilot group while utilizing the exact same benefits and work rules for all of us, I would vote for it, even if we lost OJI, Vacation low and some other outliers. That doesn't mean I want to give up anything. It does mean I am willing to look at the entire picture without getting hung up on one single issue.
As far as Vacation Low is concerned, I think it is one of the dumbest things a management team could ever agree to. It costs too much for no real return on investment. Do I like it? Absolutely. Do I use it? Of course. Is it a good idea for long term sustainability? No, which is probably why nobody else has it. Will I vote for a contract that changes it significantly? Yes, as long as the overall contract is better for most of us, and treats us all the same.
For the record, this is what you wrote, "There are items we will have to concede in an effort to make overall pay and quality of life better for everyone."
I did provide a solution or ideas, no real difference anyway. You just don't agree with them and that's ok. The real reality of the situation is that we voted down a concessionary TA by 83% knowing about the static fleet plan on the erj side. That should tell anyone that we don't want any concessions, even if it means a static fleet plan. So the alternatives are negotiating a contract where not one pilot takes a concession or status quo. Seems to me that 83% of the pilots are ok with either one. I don't think anyone is for agreement to any TA just for the merger's sake. The company supposedly sees value in the merger. It's up to them to decide how much that value is worth in relations to what we are willing to vote for. So far, they underestimated us.
I do agree on looking at the entire TA to decide if the overall contract would be a concession. If they want to get rid of my b fund and lower my matching funds, fine. They can just adjust the pay rate up by the same percentage they decrease those supposed outliers (which aren't really outliers since I've pointed out that we are not the only ones with a b fund). But I agree with the big picture approach.
Lastly, we are not management. Let them decided make the argument against vacation low. Otherwise, I'm going to assume that you use the same approach when haggling with the car dealership salesman and tell him he dumb for offering you something of value that no one else has on their car.
10-20-2014, 11:00 AM
#7799
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Joined APC: Jul 2012
Posts: 432
Is ExpressJet hiring for the CRJ side?
10-20-2014, 12:30 PM
#7800
Line Holder
Joined APC: Jul 2011
Position: Left seat CRJ700&900
Posts: 63
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