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#7781
You guys are sad. Just get out of the stupid regional world already! It's a place where dreams go to die. Look at yourselves bickering about petty differences between ASA and XJT. News flash, they both suck!! I hope they both go out of business soon. They are like an old dog that needs to be put down.
To all the great people at the combined XJT I wish y'all the best and hope you can get out of the regional hell soon. You will never be happier than when you give them your two week notice. Good luck and I wish y'all the best
#7782
You guys are sad. Just get out of the stupid regional world already! It's a place where dreams go to die. Look at yourselves bickering about petty differences between ASA and XJT. News flash, they both suck!! I hope they both go out of business soon. They are like an old dog that needs to be put down.
#7784
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jan 2009
Position: 737 Left
Posts: 1,827
It's ok, many pilots at LXJT don't know we have a B fund either (a quick check of APC will confirm it). Unless they gave theirs up recently, they still have it. And I know PDT has theirs. And I think Horizon has a B fund also. But even if they didn't, why is it ok with you that another pilot group take a concession by giving that up? You should be demanding all our good things like we demand your good things. Or are you ok with me telling you that you need to give away vacation low and your rigs?
The fact of the matter is that neither side wants a concession. That's a good thing! We knew that voting no, and not agreeing to concessions, meant a static fleet plan (at least on the erj side). So with those facts on the table, what's wrong with neither said taking a concession, whether that's through a new TA or status quo? That's my solution and from the sounds of some of your guys, management is happy with that. Oh well, I hope everyone has a plan b, at least the ERJ guys.
So go check your credibility now.
The fact of the matter is that neither side wants a concession. That's a good thing! We knew that voting no, and not agreeing to concessions, meant a static fleet plan (at least on the erj side). So with those facts on the table, what's wrong with neither said taking a concession, whether that's through a new TA or status quo? That's my solution and from the sounds of some of your guys, management is happy with that. Oh well, I hope everyone has a plan b, at least the ERJ guys.
So go check your credibility now.
For the record, I didn't say I wanted concessions. I have never said that. However, having spent a long time in business I understand that the term 'negotiate' means give and take on both sides. That being the case, if we can 'negotiate' a TA that provides better QOL for 90 percent of the pilot group and better pay (w2 pay, not pay rates) for 90% of the pilot group while utilizing the exact same benefits and work rules for all of us, I would vote for it, even if we lost OJI, Vacation low and some other outliers. That doesn't mean I want to give up anything. It does mean I am willing to look at the entire picture without getting hung up on one single issue.
As far as Vacation Low is concerned, I think it is one of the dumbest things a management team could ever agree to. It costs too much for no real return on investment. Do I like it? Absolutely. Do I use it? Of course. Is it a good idea for long term sustainability? No, which is probably why nobody else has it. Will I vote for a contract that changes it significantly? Yes, as long as the overall contract is better for most of us, and treats us all the same.
#7785
Banned
Joined APC: Feb 2007
Position: Delta Gear Slinger
Posts: 415
For god sake man, 7 years and still an FO with no upgrade in sight and yet you stay at a regional anyway? Maybe you are the problem. Management has you right where they want you. You are a defeated scared little pilot who is unwilling or unable to do what it takes to get out and better your career.
Please, by all means, tell us the secret!
#7786
Where do you expect him to go, Old Wise One? Do you realize how difficult it is to go from right seat RJ to a major? Do you realize that 99% of all regional FO's are desperately trying to get out?
Please, by all means, tell us the secret!
Please, by all means, tell us the secret!
#7787
Banned
Joined APC: Feb 2007
Position: Delta Gear Slinger
Posts: 415
How many of them were interns, or had contacts in management, or had parents at a major? Sure, it's happening, but it's not happening for the overwhelming majority.
#7788
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Feb 2012
Position: PNF
Posts: 622
"For example, aircraft that come off line with one carrier may have opportunity to be repurposed with another carrier at a better rate. We are bidding for flying among the regionals, and delivering strong performance positions us well." - AM
Minus the proofreading at the end.
A clue for what is to come. Also notice ASA has not had a displacement bid for IAD in a while. Signs of a mass bid. Those looking for upgrades that are within double digits good news. Those looking to get in, do not be fooled. It will not be massive growth, and there might be some reshuffling within XJT. Check back next week folks.
Minus the proofreading at the end.
A clue for what is to come. Also notice ASA has not had a displacement bid for IAD in a while. Signs of a mass bid. Those looking for upgrades that are within double digits good news. Those looking to get in, do not be fooled. It will not be massive growth, and there might be some reshuffling within XJT. Check back next week folks.
#7789
For god sake man, 7 years and still an FO with no upgrade in sight and yet you stay at a regional anyway? Maybe you are the problem. Management has you right where they want you. You are a defeated scared little pilot who is unwilling or unable to do what it takes to get out and better your career.
#7790
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jul 2008
Posts: 4,238
"For example, aircraft that come off line with one carrier may have opportunity to be repurposed with another carrier at a better rate. We are bidding for flying among the regionals, and delivering strong performance positions us well." - AM
Minus the proofreading at the end.
A clue for what is to come. Also notice ASA has not had a displacement bid for IAD in a while. Signs of a mass bid. Those looking for upgrades that are within double digits good news. Those looking to get in, do not be fooled. It will not be massive growth, and there might be some reshuffling within XJT. Check back next week folks.
Minus the proofreading at the end.
A clue for what is to come. Also notice ASA has not had a displacement bid for IAD in a while. Signs of a mass bid. Those looking for upgrades that are within double digits good news. Those looking to get in, do not be fooled. It will not be massive growth, and there might be some reshuffling within XJT. Check back next week folks.
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