What's the Latest at ASA/Expressjet?
09-29-2014, 12:58 PM
#7551
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Joined APC: Dec 2007
Position: EMB 145 CPT
Posts: 2,934
Yes, I was ok when Skywest decided to give you guys some of the 70 seaters and I would be happy if you were awarded more. Why wouldn't anyone at the company be? It has no bearing on me or LJXT whatsoever. And if we don't want to take concessions and deal with getting the Erj all being parked, so be it if that happens. I wished that everyone would understand that point of view instead of acting like you are appalled.
09-29-2014, 01:01 PM
#7552
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Joined APC: Dec 2007
Position: EMB 145 CPT
Posts: 2,934
What's the Latest at ASA/Expressjet?
Yes, I do know how it works! 
As I stated above, I don't have an answer. Sorry! In the late 60's when they had a shortage of pilots United actually trained the pilots from 0 time!!! 
Can you believe that! Anyway, not trying to beat you up just trying to give you a different prospective! 25 yrs ago 90% of the flying was done via Majors now it's about 60%. Yes, the Majors gave it up however, the Commuters picked it up!! So BOTH pilot groups are GUILTY!!
As I stated above, I don't have an answer. Sorry! In the late 60's when they had a shortage of pilots United actually trained the pilots from 0 time!!! Can you believe that! Anyway, not trying to beat you up just trying to give you a different prospective! 25 yrs ago 90% of the flying was done via Majors now it's about 60%. Yes, the Majors gave it up however, the Commuters picked it up!! So BOTH pilot groups are GUILTY!!Yes, both groups are guilty to some extent. But some are more guilty than others. If scope wasn't ever given away in the first place, you wouldn't be asking others to do what you couldn't/wouldn't do yourself when you had the chance to vote no or resign under protest for management taking your scope away.
09-29-2014, 01:16 PM
#7553
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Joined APC: Nov 2012
Posts: 342
Yes, both groups are guilty to some extent. But some are more guilty than others. If scope wasn't ever given away in the first place, you wouldn't be asking others to do what you couldn't/wouldn't do yourself when you had the chance to vote no or resign under protest for management taking your scope away.
09-29-2014, 01:34 PM
#7554
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Joined APC: Mar 2011
Position: Grounded
Posts: 451
I know it doesn't make sense to you! 
Thats the problem!! I don't have an answer because there will always be someone to do the job for less than you! My point is, if we say NO to scope concessions, the 737 that I fly today maybe flown by ABC commuter airline tomorrow. In my day it was called NY Air!! (look up it's history.) My point that was lost on everyone is when I was in your position they were starting to bring up the concept of training contracts. I told my employer that I would not sign a training contract and that I would resign! Did I think my lone action would change anything? NO! But, I could look myself in the mirror and know I wasn't part of the problem!! But, if EVERYONE said NO then things would change. Fortunately, I think things are beginning to change. I'm not posting this to make people mad, I'm just trying to get them to think out of the box.
Thats the problem!! I don't have an answer because there will always be someone to do the job for less than you! My point is, if we say NO to scope concessions, the 737 that I fly today maybe flown by ABC commuter airline tomorrow. In my day it was called NY Air!! (look up it's history.) My point that was lost on everyone is when I was in your position they were starting to bring up the concept of training contracts. I told my employer that I would not sign a training contract and that I would resign! Did I think my lone action would change anything? NO! But, I could look myself in the mirror and know I wasn't part of the problem!! But, if EVERYONE said NO then things would change. Fortunately, I think things are beginning to change. I'm not posting this to make people mad, I'm just trying to get them to think out of the box.
09-29-2014, 01:44 PM
#7555
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Joined APC: Dec 2007
Position: EMB 145 CPT
Posts: 2,934
What's the Latest at ASA/Expressjet?
Not sure who? But, it doesn't matter! Looks like you fly the 145 and most of those are being phased out. So, my question to you, is your airline growing? If not, where is the flying going? Back to the major, or another commuter, or just shrinking? If any of those are true and the route that you flew with said A/C is now being flown with another carrier (same paint) you just got "SCOPED"! Sort of understand now?
No, my airline isn't growing. That flying is being shifted to cheaper regionals than mine. So, yes, another carrier is flying those routes. Do you understand that thats NOT being scope as you say? I want you to scope in EVERYTHING that has the name of your company on it, regardless if it's a 145, 175, or a 1900. By the way, I voted NO for concessions that would've helped my company keep some of your flying you gave away. But I rather my company go out of business than to take a pay cut. Just as you could've voted no and quit if you gave away scope.
The point being, we are both guilty. But you are more guilty than I.
09-29-2014, 01:50 PM
#7556
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Joined APC: Nov 2012
Posts: 342
No, my airline isn't growing. That flying is being shifted to cheaper regionals than mine. So, yes, another carrier is flying those routes. Do you understand that thats NOT being scope as you say? I want you to scope in EVERYTHING that has the name of your company on it, regardless if it's a 145, 175, or a 1900. By the way, I voted NO for concessions to try to keep some of your flying you gave away.
The point being, we are both guilty. But you are more guilty than I.
The point being, we are both guilty. But you are more guilty than I.
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09-30-2014, 03:13 AM
#7560
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Joined APC: Jun 2007
Position: Captain Jack
Posts: 1,003
Yes, I do know how it works! As I stated above, I don't have an answer. Sorry! In the late 60's when they had a shortage of pilots United actually trained the pilots from 0 time!!! Can you believe that! Anyway, not trying to beat you up just trying to give you a different prospective! 25 yrs ago 90% of the flying was done via Majors now it's about 60%. Yes, the Majors gave it up however, the Commuters picked it up!! So BOTH pilot groups are GUILTY!!
As I stated above, I don't have an answer. Sorry! In the late 60's when they had a shortage of pilots United actually trained the pilots from 0 time!!! Can you believe that! Anyway, not trying to beat you up just trying to give you a different prospective! 25 yrs ago 90% of the flying was done via Majors now it's about 60%. Yes, the Majors gave it up however, the Commuters picked it up!! So BOTH pilot groups are GUILTY!!
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