What's the Latest at ASA/Expressjet?
09-17-2014, 02:37 PM
#7401
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jul 2010
Position: CRJ
Posts: 419
Yeah, it's so bright. 300 + from upgrade after 6.5 years and loosing airplanes. More like I need more lube for the ass pounding. I wish you guys would stop trash talking and get to work. I'd like to have a conversation with our MEC about the people on the NC and what they are actually doing. What is our MECs doing to secure our future? I haven't seen anything in 4 years since the merger. Glad to see I'm paying almost a grand a year for guys to trash talk and divide our fellow pilots on the Ejet side. Makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside.
09-17-2014, 03:14 PM
#7402
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Joined APC: Aug 2014
Posts: 118
And a rough week? Who expected those planes to come here? Didn't Brad say no new planes until there's a JCBA? I think 83% of us were OK with those planes going elsewhere if it meant flying them for a penny less. The only ones running scared are those that have made a bad name for themselves and are stuck here. Sorry your fear campaign isn't working on the rest of us.
83% of us are proud to stand up for our profession alongside the Envoy pilots. Republic is already parking planes because they can't hire enough pilots. PSA can't hire enough pilots to fly the 30 CRJ 900's they sold their souls for; how are they going to staff another 47 CRJ 700's from Envoy? Same issue at Mesa. I agree there's a bright future. For some, it's at a major. For others, it's flying the planes the bottom feeders can't staff, for MORE.
09-17-2014, 03:21 PM
#7403
Line Holder
Joined APC: Sep 2012
Posts: 56
Cpt Tony speaks the truth....and they can't handle the truth. The best thing we can do on the ASA side is just sit tight and wait now. My crystal ball says there is some good news coming to the ASA side soon and not so good news for the LXJT side. Their side chose to delay things and trade ASA QOL for their outliers. It didn't work and now they are panicking. Just sit back and let things unfold the next few months.
09-17-2014, 03:46 PM
#7404
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jan 2011
Posts: 136
LXJT guys, I am just a regular line pilot, and have had mostly good interaction with the LXJT folks I come in to contact with. There is, however, one big issue with PBS that most of us take issue with. Here it is, the best I can explain it.
First, Flightline is a tried and tested product that has resulted in a much better quality of life for MOST of the LASA folks. We spent a lot of money developing it over time and got a better overall QOL with it. Second, our understanding of SmartPref is that it may result in a poorer QOL for LASA due to globalization. Third, SmartPref has no successful track record from which we can accurately compare. Fourth, SmartPref, according to my understanding, will result in a poorer QOL for all the LXJT guys as compared with current line bidding. Fifth, the majority of LXJT people I hear from don't want Flightline because it wasn't their idea. So, the belief on our side is that , since you folks have more pilots than we do, we need to roll over and accept a PBS system that looks like it will negatively affect all of the pilots in our group (4500 ish) just because it is the brain child of the LXJT negotiators instead of being willing to seriously consider Flightline, which has positively impacted over 1700 of our pilots, and may actually be better for the LXJT group than SmartPref. It seems as if ya'll think that, if we are going to have to get a PBS system, it should get worse for everybody.
Final note, most of us just want this behind us, so let's negotiate something REASONABLE and move on.
First, Flightline is a tried and tested product that has resulted in a much better quality of life for MOST of the LASA folks. We spent a lot of money developing it over time and got a better overall QOL with it. Second, our understanding of SmartPref is that it may result in a poorer QOL for LASA due to globalization. Third, SmartPref has no successful track record from which we can accurately compare. Fourth, SmartPref, according to my understanding, will result in a poorer QOL for all the LXJT guys as compared with current line bidding. Fifth, the majority of LXJT people I hear from don't want Flightline because it wasn't their idea. So, the belief on our side is that , since you folks have more pilots than we do, we need to roll over and accept a PBS system that looks like it will negatively affect all of the pilots in our group (4500 ish) just because it is the brain child of the LXJT negotiators instead of being willing to seriously consider Flightline, which has positively impacted over 1700 of our pilots, and may actually be better for the LXJT group than SmartPref. It seems as if ya'll think that, if we are going to have to get a PBS system, it should get worse for everybody.
Final note, most of us just want this behind us, so let's negotiate something REASONABLE and move on.
09-17-2014, 03:54 PM
#7405
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Joined APC: Mar 2014
Posts: 484
With the announcement today of 50 175 going to Republic, United is now maxed out on 71+ seat RJs.... XJT is done. There will be no fleet replacement.
09-17-2014, 04:01 PM
#7406
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Joined APC: Jan 2011
Posts: 136
Listen ASA guys, if this is the kind of people you are taking advice from about our PBS and culture and that we somehow want to bring down your QOL, you're crazy. If anything the top at ASA want to protect their QOL at your expense. We spread the love more evenly, not just by DOH. For instance, our pilots get to bid in seniority order for each Vacation week.. One by one.. Not all at one time. When I saw that in our TA I was sick. It's just not fair. Give every one a chance to get a week off that they want. The senior shouldn't get to Xmas, Thanksgiving, Easter, and their B-day when they could hold them off anyways with a bid.
We will protect QOL with smartperf.. If we don't then I would happily switch to FlightLine. Lets give each other a chance and we can work it out next contract. We do not want to undercut your QOL!!
09-17-2014, 04:09 PM
#7408
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Joined APC: Jan 2011
Posts: 136
One thing I've learned from this industry is that you cannot predict the future. We still are the largest regional in the world. XJT will not be easy to replace and things could rapidly change going forward. Time will tell but I am proud regardless of what happens, that we stood for something, instead of fueling the flames of the whipsaw.
09-17-2014, 04:21 PM
#7409
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Joined APC: May 2006
Position: A few
Posts: 166
Tony, the outlier argument is flat out false. They have already stated LTD is not going to exist in it's current form.
09-17-2014, 04:28 PM
#7410
Banned
Joined APC: Jan 2013
Posts: 170
We have a PBS transition in place that will allow you to use your PBS for the duration of the next contract. The contact after that we would get to compare our PBS systems and make educated decisions about which system we want to keep. What is wrong with that? How is that not a great compromise that both sides can live with?
Also, our line bidding allows us a great QOL and excellent work rules. We are going to protect that QOL fiercely with rules in SmartPerf. Why not at least see what we can come up with? You never know it might be better than your current system
Also, our line bidding allows us a great QOL and excellent work rules. We are going to protect that QOL fiercely with rules in SmartPerf. Why not at least see what we can come up with? You never know it might be better than your current system
One of the reasons I voted NO was because of the two different contracts within the TA. I want one system and one contract. Not these two separate systems.
I bet you don't even know how our system works. You never know, maybe our system is great. How do you know what our system is like?
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