What's the Latest at ASA/Expressjet?
09-15-2014, 04:02 AM
#7291
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Well you hear wrong. Our polling numbers say most agree with him. Try again.
09-15-2014, 04:05 AM
#7292
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83% didn't agree with you merchant and nothing has changed. You and Tony's way of thinking are the minority at the combined airline.
I'm proud of our representatives on the XJT side. The overwhelming majority of our pilots say no paycuts no matter what and they are listening unlike our old leadership
I'm proud of our representatives on the XJT side. The overwhelming majority of our pilots say no paycuts no matter what and they are listening unlike our old leadership
The 83% wouldn't have occurred it people like me and CM hadn't come out so strongly against it on the ASA side.
Neither the XJT nor ASA side are being asked for "pay cuts".
Get the facts before you spout off and look like a moron.
09-15-2014, 04:49 AM
#7293
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Actually they are. Might need to check your facts.
09-15-2014, 05:05 AM
#7294
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NONE of those people require at least $40k+ in training to get their jobs. Also aside from teachers, most do not have a college degree. While it may be "industry leading" it's still a poo sandwich. Any contract that does not include a pay raise to compensate for inflation is a concession in my opinion.
09-15-2014, 05:39 AM
#7295
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Thank you for standing up for yourself and not buying into the whipsaw as the leaders of your union has. This profession needs more pilots like you. The ASA lifers will do anything to keep their jobs. They don't care that their FO's can't afford to feed a family and pay their debts, as long as they are taken care of. Air101 - we have paid attention and we know the risk involved. If Mesa or PSA gets our flying that's fine, at the end of the day who do you think the majors are going to hire? The majors are going to need the Mesa/PSA pilots to fly their shiny RJ's. I can see less of them getting hired at majors as a result.
Fact: ASA FOs make 60% of Captain pay, which is industry leading. Our average FO makes $40K/year. Compare that to what police officers, teachers, and other transportation workers make.
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09-15-2014, 05:59 AM
#7297
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NONE of those people require at least $40k+ in training to get their jobs. Also aside from teachers, most do not have a college degree. While it may be "industry leading" it's still a poo sandwich. Any contract that does not include a pay raise to compensate for inflation is a concession in my opinion.
09-15-2014, 06:02 AM
#7298
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So I assume you are talking averages for salary since you mentioned 40k/year for our FOs. That is below police and teacher averages per year. The BLS reported in 2012 the median annual salary for patrol officers was $55,270. Average teacher salary as of September 2014 is $52,552. National Education Association reports an average national starting teacher salary of $36,141 in 2012/13. The average starting police pay is anywhere from $26,000-$49,000. I am not sure what you mean by other transportation workers but I'll just assume they make more too. I am not sure whether you were saying our FOs make more or less but I just wanted to add some numbers.
09-15-2014, 06:11 AM
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Folks. Please realize that cap tony and joemerc are only on here to stir up controversy and animosity between pilot groups. Let them live in their bitter cockpit and the rest of us work together to better our contract goals. As I said earlier most of us are on the same page.
09-15-2014, 06:15 AM
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Folks. Please realize that cap tony and joemerc are only on here to stir up controversy and animosity between pilot groups. Let them live in their bitter cockpit and the rest of us work together to better our contract goals. As I said earlier most of us are on the same page.
No, we're on here to respond to the hate, misinformation, and baseless attacks from the ERJ side. It seems to be a common trend over there to a.) refuse to admit when one is wrong, and b.) feel that compromise means start doing things your way. Then you guys come out with the Jedi mind tricks telling us we're the bad guys. Then you wonder why we're in an epic of a failed merger.
Fortunately, management knows which side is reasonable. So keep up the attacks. You're only hurting yourselves.
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