What's the Latest at ASA/Expressjet?
09-14-2014, 08:47 AM
#7271
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Joined APC: Nov 2008
Posts: 318
If we're getting new airframes why would they come from 9E? Is 9E literally imploding upon itself? The rumors indicate that they are having a huge problem staffing...but honestly, I want proof in the form of a 9E seniority list from 1/2014 to the most recent one showing
A: Attrition and B: New hire classes for me to fully believe their staffing debacle.
I hope that if any new airframes come to L-ASA that it is not at the cost of another pilot group.
09-14-2014, 09:57 AM
#7272
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Joined APC: Jan 2013
Posts: 103
I'm ASA and I'm willing to hold the line even if it means unemployment. If they can't pay me what I'm (and WE) are worth then close it all down. I'm not the least bit afraid of losing this dead end job.
09-14-2014, 12:48 PM
#7273
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Joined APC: Aug 2011
Posts: 79
I'm willing to end up unemployed. I can start working outside of aviation tomorrow. Can you Tony? Doubtful.
09-14-2014, 02:39 PM
#7275
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Joined APC: Apr 2013
Posts: 352
We're WAY overdue for some sort of good news, so I hope that this rumor of airframes is legit, Capt Tony seems to act as if it is. Other rumors that are "hot" right now are:
Hottest:
-Multiple people have told me they have "heard" that when several FO's have resigned recently, a certain CP (BH) has been quoted as saying "Are you sure you want to do this, you might regret it."
(CP's are just like LCA, they typically are not in the know whatsoever and find out news just as we all do, via an email. Not discounting BH at all, but I find it hard to believe that a CP would have any clue about potential airplanes or huge news.)
Far fetched, but gaining momentum:
-Expanded AA operation in DFW, perhaps E-175s?
(I consider this one highly unlikely since an E-175 program would have to be announced by Sept 30 for us to have ANY chance to be ready for Summer 2015. Not out of the question, but it's an entire new fleet type, and if certain Training Dept pilots were going to school on the
E-175, we would know by now.)
Extremely unlikely:
-Skywest needs help in LAX with their AA operation, perhaps L-ASA will lend a hand?
(Yes, I heard this...and like you I had to do a double take to it's absurdity.)
Titanic has a better chance of arriving in New York than the following:
-We will begin a flow with Fedex.
(I literally heard this in the DTW crew room and LOL'd as soon as I heard it. The nonsense people make up is mind blowing...and yes the CA who said this said it with a straight and ultra serious face.)
If we're getting new airframes why would they come from 9E? Is 9E literally imploding upon itself? The rumors indicate that they are having a huge problem staffing...but honestly, I want proof in the form of a 9E seniority list from 1/2014 to the most recent one showing
A: Attrition and B: New hire classes for me to fully believe their staffing debacle.
I hope that if any new airframes come to L-ASA that it is not at the cost of another pilot group.
Hottest:
-Multiple people have told me they have "heard" that when several FO's have resigned recently, a certain CP (BH) has been quoted as saying "Are you sure you want to do this, you might regret it."
(CP's are just like LCA, they typically are not in the know whatsoever and find out news just as we all do, via an email. Not discounting BH at all, but I find it hard to believe that a CP would have any clue about potential airplanes or huge news.)
Far fetched, but gaining momentum:
-Expanded AA operation in DFW, perhaps E-175s?
(I consider this one highly unlikely since an E-175 program would have to be announced by Sept 30 for us to have ANY chance to be ready for Summer 2015. Not out of the question, but it's an entire new fleet type, and if certain Training Dept pilots were going to school on the
E-175, we would know by now.)
Extremely unlikely:
-Skywest needs help in LAX with their AA operation, perhaps L-ASA will lend a hand?
(Yes, I heard this...and like you I had to do a double take to it's absurdity.)
Titanic has a better chance of arriving in New York than the following:
-We will begin a flow with Fedex.
(I literally heard this in the DTW crew room and LOL'd as soon as I heard it. The nonsense people make up is mind blowing...and yes the CA who said this said it with a straight and ultra serious face.)
If we're getting new airframes why would they come from 9E? Is 9E literally imploding upon itself? The rumors indicate that they are having a huge problem staffing...but honestly, I want proof in the form of a 9E seniority list from 1/2014 to the most recent one showing
A: Attrition and B: New hire classes for me to fully believe their staffing debacle.
I hope that if any new airframes come to L-ASA that it is not at the cost of another pilot group.
"For the month of August, a total of 45 pilots resigned with the effective date of their resignations occurring in August (this total does not include pilots who have submitted their resignations in August, and whose last day will be later than August 31). That total includes 25 Captains (15 of whom are going to DAL) and 20 First Officers (none of whom are going to Delta). This brings the total number of resignations effective so far this year to 332 pilots (203 Captains and 129 First Officers)."
09-14-2014, 04:18 PM
#7276
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Joined APC: Jan 2011
Posts: 136
I'm ASA and I'm willing to hold the line even if it means unemployment. If they can't pay me what I'm (and WE) are worth then close it all down. I'm not the least bit afraid of losing this dead end job.
09-14-2014, 04:29 PM
#7277
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Joined APC: Jan 2011
Posts: 136
Oh, yes, I'm sure the ASA pilots who are well represented will throw out their reps because the angry, disgruntled side with NO representation wants to stop their reps from getting beat up at every meeting.. Ya, ok. That makes sense.
And it's funny how your side can meet all your goals, yet every ERJ that takes off still loses money.
09-14-2014, 05:39 PM
#7278
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Joined APC: Feb 2008
Position: CRJ200 Capt.
Posts: 822
Thank you for standing up for yourself and not buying into the whipsaw as the leaders of your union has. This profession needs more pilots like you. The ASA lifers will do anything to keep their jobs. They don't care that their FO's can't afford to feed a family and pay their debts, as long as they are taken care of. Air101 - we have paid attention and we know the risk involved. If Mesa or PSA gets our flying that's fine, at the end of the day who do you think the majors are going to hire? The majors are going to need the Mesa/PSA pilots to fly their shiny RJ's. I can see less of them getting hired at majors as a result.
The fact is, Delta and United have been whipsawing their regionals for almost two decades now. American is getting into the act now, however it is really USAirways which also has years of experience whipsawing their regionals. There is nothing to "buy into"....It is a fact and has been for many years.
The fact is, ALPA/APA and the mainline MECs have perpetuated and encouraged this whipsaw.....I'm sorry you are still living in the past of a day when you were the lone provider for CAL with a 10 percent cost plus CPA.....Time to wake up and realize that is in the past and it is time to deal with reality.....
09-14-2014, 05:43 PM
#7279
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Joined APC: Feb 2008
Position: CRJ200 Capt.
Posts: 822
The ASA pilots for the most are very happy with their union representatives. You should worry more about your side of the house as they are putting your job in jeopardy....Take care of your own house before you start worry about our side...
09-14-2014, 06:04 PM
#7280
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Joined APC: Sep 2014
Posts: 828
"Buying into the whipsaw". What do you mean by that?
The fact is, Delta and United have been whipsawing their regionals for almost two decades now. American is getting into the act now, however it is really USAirways which also has years of experience whipsawing their regionals. There is nothing to "buy into"....It is a fact and has been for many years.
The fact is, ALPA/APA and the mainline MECs have perpetuated and encouraged this whipsaw.....I'm sorry you are still living in the past of a day when you were the lone provider for CAL with a 10 percent cost plus CPA.....Time to wake up and realize that is in the past and it is time to deal with reality.....
The fact is, Delta and United have been whipsawing their regionals for almost two decades now. American is getting into the act now, however it is really USAirways which also has years of experience whipsawing their regionals. There is nothing to "buy into"....It is a fact and has been for many years.
The fact is, ALPA/APA and the mainline MECs have perpetuated and encouraged this whipsaw.....I'm sorry you are still living in the past of a day when you were the lone provider for CAL with a 10 percent cost plus CPA.....Time to wake up and realize that is in the past and it is time to deal with reality.....
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