What's the Latest at ASA/Expressjet?
08-27-2014, 05:30 PM
#7091
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Joined APC: Feb 2008
Position: CRJ200 Capt.
Posts: 822
BS...I deal in reality.....Luis deals in fantasy and the past. Reality is the rules of FFD has changed. One thing I agree with Luis on is everyone should have a plan B. The ASA pilots are well on their way to plan B....
08-27-2014, 05:34 PM
#7093
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Joined APC: Feb 2008
Position: CRJ200 Capt.
Posts: 822
If they lose erj's and are losing crj's what will happen to an extremely senior regional pilot group? Or are we just going to completely ignore why Skywest needed to merge both companies for them to have a viable future? You guys can keep thinking it would be nothing but unicorns and flowers if the Erj side wasn't around but you weren't profitable immediately before the merger and you were projected to be losing money going forward. Without a successful merger and a substantial fleet no one will have a job. 20 yr captains are an "outlier" for a regional ... See how the ignorance goes both ways?
Is a Pbs system that requires a team of people (on trip loss) to manually globalize the results an outlier? Name another Pbs system that is that inefficient with only three bases? How many people will need to be not flying for a 10 base operation? Wake the hell up. The ASA side should be demanding intelligent representation instead of the same ignorant blabbering that they had before.
Is a Pbs system that requires a team of people (on trip loss) to manually globalize the results an outlier? Name another Pbs system that is that inefficient with only three bases? How many people will need to be not flying for a 10 base operation? Wake the hell up. The ASA side should be demanding intelligent representation instead of the same ignorant blabbering that they had before.
08-27-2014, 05:41 PM
#7094
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Joined APC: Feb 2007
Position: e190
Posts: 929
You lost all credibility with 83% of the pilot group by truly believing that the last TA was fair or passable. Neither company is viable alone. That is a fact and was explained when Skywest bought us. You can't have a company of lifers flying around 150 airplanes. Sorry to rain on you and your flame baiting MEC parade with reality. Keep wishing demise on the Erj side and you will be right next to them on the unemployment line.
08-27-2014, 05:49 PM
#7095
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Joined APC: Feb 2008
Position: CRJ200 Capt.
Posts: 822
You lost all credibility with 83% of the pilot group by truly believing that the last TA was fair or passable. Neither company is viable alone. That is a fact and was explained when Skywest bought us. You can't have a company of lifers flying around 150 airplanes. Sorry to rain on you and your flame baiting MEC parade with reality. Keep wishing demise on the Erj side and you will be right next to them on the unemployment line.
08-27-2014, 06:46 PM
#7096
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Joined APC: May 2006
Position: A few
Posts: 166
It's funny Joe how things can turn on a dime....
08-27-2014, 08:05 PM
#7097
Not A Janitor
Joined APC: Aug 2008
Posts: 814
The PWG doesn't globalize; they optimize QOL for the pilots. Our bid process is 100% transparent, unlike certain other PBS programs. You are awarded trips based on your preferences in sequential order. When your stated preference returns multiple trips (which you have stated are all equally desirable to you), the PWG has a hand in picking which trip you will get in order to optimize your schedule and that of the other pilots. At the end of the process you can see exactly how your schedule was awarded.
It's really not a hard concept to grasp. Therefore it's pretty obvious some XJT folks are on a misinformation campaign in order to deceive their constituents into thinking SmartPref is better for them.
08-27-2014, 08:23 PM
#7098
Banned
Joined APC: Dec 2007
Position: EMB 145 CPT
Posts: 2,934
What's the Latest at ASA/Expressjet?
Not with any more 76 seaters coming. They are maxed out after the 70 are placed in service. So they won't park most of the 50 seaters until UAL has small narrow bodies on property. And even then, why would the park the 50 seaters that are the cheapest for UAL?
No, I don't go telling anyone they should take concessions. We are not required to take concessions no what you say reality is. The reality is they management told us we would have a static fleet plan with no new contract and we still voted no. And that's ok with me.
Another thing, you don't seem to understand what I mean by plan b. What I'm talking about is having something so that you don't have to rely on this company. You make it sound like only the ASA MEC has a plan anyway. Both MECs are doing what they beeline is in the best interest of their pilots but only your MEC complains about it.
And this is precisely why I say everyone should have a plan b. If everyone did, we would never even have the opportunity to vote on a concessionary TA.
So why don't you just worrying about your side and stop repeating management's favorite phrase about getting rid of this side's "outliers."
I didn't believe the last TA was either "fair" or "passable". I voted YES because I thought we had a better chance as a single larger carrier. You won, and now we will shrink. Your side more than my mine. If you think the 83 percent are all on the same page, then you really don't deal in reality. The ASA pilots are preparing to secure their future....You keep living in denial and see how it works for you....
Honestly, you and captain tony just sound scared of your future prospects. If you weren't concerned like I am of the ERJ guys possibly losing their jobs, then you wouldn't be here whining about anything our MEC does or says or we say.
It isn't about leverage. ASA pilots want to keep Flightline PBS because it is BY FAR a superior product with superior QOL, especially with the work rules we have negotiated. The XJT MEC would rather pi$$ away all the gains we worked hard for so they can merely claim victory in the Battle of PBS, and all combined ASA and XJT pilots would suffer as a result.
There is NO manual globalization. Do you even know what you're talking about? (That was rhetorical, as it is evident that you don't.)
The PWG doesn't globalize; they optimize QOL for the pilots. Our bid process is 100% transparent, unlike certain other PBS programs. You are awarded trips based on your preferences in sequential order. When your stated preference returns multiple trips (which you have stated are all equally desirable to you), the PWG has a hand in picking which trip you will get in order to optimize your schedule and that of the other pilots. At the end of the process you can see exactly how your schedule was awarded.
It's really not a hard concept to grasp. Therefore it's pretty obvious some XJT folks are on a misinformation campaign in order to deceive their constituents into thinking SmartPref is better for them.
There is NO manual globalization. Do you even know what you're talking about? (That was rhetorical, as it is evident that you don't.)
The PWG doesn't globalize; they optimize QOL for the pilots. Our bid process is 100% transparent, unlike certain other PBS programs. You are awarded trips based on your preferences in sequential order. When your stated preference returns multiple trips (which you have stated are all equally desirable to you), the PWG has a hand in picking which trip you will get in order to optimize your schedule and that of the other pilots. At the end of the process you can see exactly how your schedule was awarded.
It's really not a hard concept to grasp. Therefore it's pretty obvious some XJT folks are on a misinformation campaign in order to deceive their constituents into thinking SmartPref is better for them.
Has it occurred to any ASA guys that the xjt MEC feels that smartpref would more closely maintain the QOL of life that we are used to with our ILIW and scheduling work rules? They have even said that flight line can be made to work but in order to make it at least as good as our current QOL, the work rules needed would be harder to attain then those needed for smartpref? This has been explained many many times over and over again. It's not about just winning some sill victory. If that was the case, they wouldn't have agreed to all the concessions in the last TA!
As for flight line, what's been said about it to us is that it socializes. Yes, it awards pilots their trips in seniority order but it also forces EVERYONE into the same box, if you will.
Last edited by Nevets; 08-27-2014 at 08:45 PM.
08-27-2014, 08:40 PM
#7099
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Joined APC: May 2006
Position: A few
Posts: 166
Oh and I will say one last thing tonight. Those of you who want the LXJT guys to lose their jobs are really pathetic. When you guys were looking at furloughs I didn't see anyone come out on our side and say anything. It reflects very poorly on you and your pilot group.
On the whole PBS thing, we are shifting from a very solid line bidding process. Those of us who have used Smartpref really like it and I don't think that Flightline makes things magically better....but hey what do I know? I'm just a guy that gets along with ASA guys just fine.
On the whole PBS thing, we are shifting from a very solid line bidding process. Those of us who have used Smartpref really like it and I don't think that Flightline makes things magically better....but hey what do I know? I'm just a guy that gets along with ASA guys just fine.
08-28-2014, 02:19 AM
#7100
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jul 2012
Posts: 503
If they lose erj's and are losing crj's what will happen to an extremely senior regional pilot group? Or are we just going to completely ignore why Skywest needed to merge both companies for them to have a viable future? You guys can keep thinking it would be nothing but unicorns and flowers if the Erj side wasn't around but you weren't profitable immediately before the merger and you were projected to be losing money going forward. Without a successful merger and a substantial fleet no one will have a job. 20 yr captains are an "outlier" for a regional ... See how the ignorance goes both ways?
Is a Pbs system that requires a team of people (on trip loss) to manually globalize the results an outlier? Name another Pbs system that is that inefficient with only three bases? How many people will need to be not flying for a 10 base operation? Wake the hell up. The ASA side should be demanding intelligent representation instead of the same ignorant blabbering that they had before.
Is a Pbs system that requires a team of people (on trip loss) to manually globalize the results an outlier? Name another Pbs system that is that inefficient with only three bases? How many people will need to be not flying for a 10 base operation? Wake the hell up. The ASA side should be demanding intelligent representation instead of the same ignorant blabbering that they had before.
Bahahahahahah all I can say is look in the mirror and what do you see? DA!
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