What's the Latest at ASA/Expressjet?
08-25-2014, 07:51 PM
#7031
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jan 2011
Posts: 136
Firsttimeflyer - I don't see the connection. I'm not on here arguing with you about anything. I'd prefer this thread change course or die. It's embarrassing.
Nevets - I haven't read any of your posts, but I noticed you seemed like the one XJT'er that kept this ridiculous thread going in its current direction. If what bedrock wrote is a summery of your posts then I owe you an apology. This summery is correct information. Please don't feed these trolls anymore. Youre not going to change anyone's mind on here.
Nevets - I haven't read any of your posts, but I noticed you seemed like the one XJT'er that kept this ridiculous thread going in its current direction. If what bedrock wrote is a summery of your posts then I owe you an apology. This summery is correct information. Please don't feed these trolls anymore. Youre not going to change anyone's mind on here.
08-25-2014, 07:52 PM
#7032
On Reserve
Joined APC: Apr 2013
Position: RJ F.O
Posts: 18
What bubble? Inc has said it themselves repeatedly on earnings calls and quarterly reports that the CPAs they negotiated for the ERJ side are unprofitable.
08-25-2014, 07:56 PM
#7033
Stuck Mic
Joined APC: Dec 2013
Posts: 1,059
Firsttimeflyer - I don't see the connection. I'm not on here arguing with you about anything. I'd prefer this thread change course or die. It's embarrassing.
Nevets - I haven't read any of your posts, but I noticed you seemed like the one XJT'er that kept this ridiculous thread going in its current direction. If what bedrock wrote is a summery of your posts then I owe you an apology. This summery is correct information. Please don't feed these trolls anymore. Youre not going to change anyone's mind on here.
Nevets - I haven't read any of your posts, but I noticed you seemed like the one XJT'er that kept this ridiculous thread going in its current direction. If what bedrock wrote is a summery of your posts then I owe you an apology. This summery is correct information. Please don't feed these trolls anymore. Youre not going to change anyone's mind on here.
08-25-2014, 08:01 PM
#7034
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Feb 2008
Position: CRJ200 Capt.
Posts: 822
The real amazing part is how many of you can't see that and still think this is the same FFD business as it was 15 years ago.
08-26-2014, 04:23 AM
#7036
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Mar 2010
Posts: 1,951
Nevets and others try to blame all of this on some grand conspiracy of SkyWest Inc. to purposely make XJT unprofitable. That simply isn't true.
The fact is, LXJT pilots are living in a bubble from the past. They think this is still the world when they were CAL's exclusive feed and had a 10 percent cost plus CPA as the exclusive feed. In addition, CAL Exp. and later XJT, never experienced the whipsaw that Delta and United have been using for decades. The DCI and United Express battlefield are littered with corpses of dead regionals or regionals that rebranded after Delta and United got done with them. WestAir, AirWisc, Comair, ACA, etc.
These aren't "little trivial" differences. There is a huge cultural difference between the two carriers. There are huge differences in expectations. And then there is the very real difference pertaining to scheduling methods.
After four years, not only haven't those differences been narrowed, they have actually grown. It is time to move on. As Nevets says, everyone needs a plan B. The ASA side is executing their plan B. That is protecting the interests of their pilots.
The fact is, LXJT pilots are living in a bubble from the past. They think this is still the world when they were CAL's exclusive feed and had a 10 percent cost plus CPA as the exclusive feed. In addition, CAL Exp. and later XJT, never experienced the whipsaw that Delta and United have been using for decades. The DCI and United Express battlefield are littered with corpses of dead regionals or regionals that rebranded after Delta and United got done with them. WestAir, AirWisc, Comair, ACA, etc.
These aren't "little trivial" differences. There is a huge cultural difference between the two carriers. There are huge differences in expectations. And then there is the very real difference pertaining to scheduling methods.
After four years, not only haven't those differences been narrowed, they have actually grown. It is time to move on. As Nevets says, everyone needs a plan B. The ASA side is executing their plan B. That is protecting the interests of their pilots.
Industry leading 50 seat RJ rates
Company paid defined contribution retirement plans
90% company paid PPO health insurance
Company paid On the Job Injury (OJI) bank
Line Bidding with vacation touch/drop
Inability of the company to contact on-duty crew members for rescheduling except in person
No operational flexibility
Angry labor groups, unwilling to perform above minimum requirements of contracts.
This is not a union vs union pi$$ing contest. This is a very real merger failure because of diametrically opposed cultures clashing in a vacuum of leadership.
So yes, it's time for the ACQUIRED (not hired) carrier to get on board or get parked. The SKW BOD has clearly run out of patience. They are not going to let the angry money losing side sink the profitable and willing side.
08-26-2014, 04:26 AM
#7037
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jan 2009
Position: 737 Left
Posts: 1,827
So, what REALISTICALLY needs to happen to pass a contract? That is what we need to be focusing on. Remember, we get paid to fly airplanes, not sit at home. If you want to make more, conventional wisdom would say you work more. So how do we create a realistic environment in which we can work intelligently with the company and move toward an overall better situation for all involved?
08-26-2014, 04:38 AM
#7038
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Sep 2011
Position: lav dumper
Posts: 707
They knew what they were getting when they "acquired" us. None of that was a secret. Close the doors. No concessions. Some of us actually have another career/skillset. It would be nice to be home every night for a change and actually earn a respectable wage.
08-26-2014, 04:52 AM
#7039
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jul 2013
Posts: 611
Then what's stopping you?
08-26-2014, 05:23 AM
#7040
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Sep 2011
Posts: 283
You know what's funny? So many f*cking know-it-alls here do nothing but point out how L-XJT is parking aircraft. My response - So the f*ck what! I welcome us losing aircraft. We are losing aircraft at significant rate, but you also know what else we're losing - people! About 80 a month company-wide, and 50 a month on the ERJ side alone; It's only going to get better, too! As long as the aircraft retirement line and attrition lines run parallel, I could not give two sh*ts about "playing ball" or completing this merger. And even if they start to cross pass and diverge, so what? It's a pilot's job market, and I have numerous backup plans in my back pocket (and it's not mine our anyone else's fault that you don't). Max pay to the last day, and if that's wrong, I don't want to be right.
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