What's the Latest at ASA/Expressjet?
08-25-2014, 09:24 AM
#7021
Banned
Joined APC: Dec 2007
Position: EMB 145 CPT
Posts: 2,934
You are delusional. Delusional about the fact XJT was on the right track before being purchased. Delusional about the fact that XJT isn't losing millions and its just an accounting trick by Inc.
What the rest of us know as fact, is that you L-XJT guys are little *****es. You want to mope around and blame everyone else but yourselves for poor performance, then and now. All you do is gimme, gimme, gimme. I want, I want, I want. Fact of the matter is, L-ASA is ready to play ball and you aren't. You and your pals are going to be the ones left on the outside looking in.
What the rest of us know as fact, is that you L-XJT guys are little *****es. You want to mope around and blame everyone else but yourselves for poor performance, then and now. All you do is gimme, gimme, gimme. I want, I want, I want. Fact of the matter is, L-ASA is ready to play ball and you aren't. You and your pals are going to be the ones left on the outside looking in.
We used to have the best performance than any other regional, despite our contract. Then we were bought. Again, not the pilots' fault. We don't want anything more than our current contract. In fact, we want you to have our contract, hell, even with your pbs.
If everyone had a plan b, no one would be worried about being outside looking in and would act and vote accordingly. I'm ready for them to park all RJs, are you?
08-25-2014, 11:38 AM
#7022
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Mar 2014
Posts: 484
I never denied XJT wasnt losing money. I'm just saying that its because of the poor contracts skywest negotiated. We voted no after management said we would get no new aircraft and the ERJs would all eventually be parked. I'm fine with that rather than take a concession because of management's poor decisions, among other things.
Again, I never said that XJT was on the right track. I'm just saying that it was all well crafted plan by CAL in which skywest had a hand in. I never said its an accounting trick. I'm just saying that its not the employees fault for xjt losing money.
We used to have the best performance than any other regional, despite our contract. Then we were bought. Again, not the pilots' fault. We don't want anything more than our current contract. In fact, we want you to have our contract, hell, even with your pbs.
If everyone had a plan b, no one would be worried about being outside looking in and would act and vote accordingly. I'm ready for them to park all RJs, are you?
Again, I never said that XJT was on the right track. I'm just saying that it was all well crafted plan by CAL in which skywest had a hand in. I never said its an accounting trick. I'm just saying that its not the employees fault for xjt losing money.
We used to have the best performance than any other regional, despite our contract. Then we were bought. Again, not the pilots' fault. We don't want anything more than our current contract. In fact, we want you to have our contract, hell, even with your pbs.
If everyone had a plan b, no one would be worried about being outside looking in and would act and vote accordingly. I'm ready for them to park all RJs, are you?
08-25-2014, 01:38 PM
#7023
Stuck Mic
Joined APC: Dec 2013
Posts: 1,059
Nevets,
You did well painting the picture of the decline. So why is there so much hatred toward the ASA guys from the LXJT group?
That attitude has been there from the very beginning. ASA guys proved they don't want to take concessions, and why should they? ASA has been profitable the entire time until they got merged when most guys didn't want that, all for ALPA...but that's another story/problem.
But now we have to listen to a bunch of whining for the LXJT side when the facts are laid out that they don't make money, they won't work with others, constantly throw the blame around, and want to drag the whole thing down if they don't get their way.
Just don't be surprised that ASA and INC are probably seeking to take the problem out of the equation.
And getting personally attacked on here for pointing that fact out sure isn't helping.
You did well painting the picture of the decline. So why is there so much hatred toward the ASA guys from the LXJT group?
That attitude has been there from the very beginning. ASA guys proved they don't want to take concessions, and why should they? ASA has been profitable the entire time until they got merged when most guys didn't want that, all for ALPA...but that's another story/problem.
But now we have to listen to a bunch of whining for the LXJT side when the facts are laid out that they don't make money, they won't work with others, constantly throw the blame around, and want to drag the whole thing down if they don't get their way.
Just don't be surprised that ASA and INC are probably seeking to take the problem out of the equation.
And getting personally attacked on here for pointing that fact out sure isn't helping.
08-25-2014, 03:15 PM
#7024
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jun 2007
Position: Right Seat Gear Swinger
Posts: 490
Nevets,
You did well painting the picture of the decline. So why is there so much hatred toward the ASA guys from the LXJT group?
That attitude has been there from the very beginning. ASA guys proved they don't want to take concessions, and why should they? ASA has been profitable the entire time until they got merged when most guys didn't want that, all for ALPA...but that's another story/problem.
But now we have to listen to a bunch of whining for the LXJT side when the facts are laid out that they don't make money, they won't work with others, constantly throw the blame around, and want to drag the whole thing down if they don't get their way.
Just don't be surprised that ASA and INC are probably seeking to take the problem out of the equation.
And getting personally attacked on here for pointing that fact out sure isn't helping.
You did well painting the picture of the decline. So why is there so much hatred toward the ASA guys from the LXJT group?
That attitude has been there from the very beginning. ASA guys proved they don't want to take concessions, and why should they? ASA has been profitable the entire time until they got merged when most guys didn't want that, all for ALPA...but that's another story/problem.
But now we have to listen to a bunch of whining for the LXJT side when the facts are laid out that they don't make money, they won't work with others, constantly throw the blame around, and want to drag the whole thing down if they don't get their way.
Just don't be surprised that ASA and INC are probably seeking to take the problem out of the equation.
And getting personally attacked on here for pointing that fact out sure isn't helping.
08-25-2014, 04:09 PM
#7025
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jan 2011
Posts: 136
stop the insanity
Nevets is not a spokesperson for L-XJT. He is a loud mouth spewing nothing but bile just like you are for the ASA side firsttimeflyer. Y'all seem to have the maturity of teenagers, not of grown men.
The majority of L-XJTer's are great people who want nothing but the best for our combined airline, and we don't come on forums to argue about ridiculously petty things like who owns who or checking in. I know from meeting ASA guys that y'all are great people too, minus the few toolbags that are posting on this thread
The majority of L-XJTer's are great people who want nothing but the best for our combined airline, and we don't come on forums to argue about ridiculously petty things like who owns who or checking in. I know from meeting ASA guys that y'all are great people too, minus the few toolbags that are posting on this thread
08-25-2014, 04:22 PM
#7026
Banned
Joined APC: Dec 2007
Position: EMB 145 CPT
Posts: 2,934
What's the Latest at ASA/Expressjet?
Not gonna happen. But thanks for the well wishes.
Nevets,
You did well painting the picture of the decline. So why is there so much hatred toward the ASA guys from the LXJT group?
That attitude has been there from the very beginning. ASA guys proved they don't want to take concessions, and why should they? ASA has been profitable the entire time until they got merged when most guys didn't want that, all for ALPA...but that's another story/problem.
But now we have to listen to a bunch of whining for the LXJT side when the facts are laid out that they don't make money, they won't work with others, constantly throw the blame around, and want to drag the whole thing down if they don't get their way.
Just don't be surprised that ASA and INC are probably seeking to take the problem out of the equation.
And getting personally attacked on here for pointing that fact out sure isn't helping.
You did well painting the picture of the decline. So why is there so much hatred toward the ASA guys from the LXJT group?
That attitude has been there from the very beginning. ASA guys proved they don't want to take concessions, and why should they? ASA has been profitable the entire time until they got merged when most guys didn't want that, all for ALPA...but that's another story/problem.
But now we have to listen to a bunch of whining for the LXJT side when the facts are laid out that they don't make money, they won't work with others, constantly throw the blame around, and want to drag the whole thing down if they don't get their way.
Just don't be surprised that ASA and INC are probably seeking to take the problem out of the equation.
And getting personally attacked on here for pointing that fact out sure isn't helping.
I don't hate ASA guys and I haven't talked to anyone that does. I know the "we bought you so get on board" attitude rubs us the wrong way. And it's because of the implications of that comment: those people were all too happy for us to take concessions in order to consummate the merger. And to this day, well yesterday on this thread, we still get the we bought you line from some ASA guys, when it's not even true anyway!
As for profits, like I said, no one has ever denied Asa's profitability or XJT's loses. But no ASA guy here has yet to agree that that is no one but Skywest's fault for negotiating crappy CPAs. That's not placing blame, that's stating facts!
So if making the point that Skywest bought xjt and that the loses are not the fault of the pilot group is whining to you, then I don't know what to tell you.
For example, who is just whined about not making money, not working with others, throwing blame around, and supposedly wanting to drag the whole thing down? I don't hear any xjt people complain nearly as much about what ASA guys supposedly say than I do the other way around. And if you do hear it, it's mostly about the MEC itself. Us xjt people just try to counter the false accusations spewed on here.
I don't remember personally insulting you but if I did, I apologize.
Nevets is not a spokesperson for L-XJT. He is a loud mouth spewing nothing but bile just like you are for the ASA side firsttimeflyer. Y'all seem to have the maturity of teenagers, not of grown men.
The majority of L-XJTer's are great people who want nothing but the best for our combined airline, and we don't come on forums to argue about ridiculously petty things like who owns who or checking in. I know from meeting ASA guys that y'all are great people too, minus the few toolbags that are posting on this thread
The majority of L-XJTer's are great people who want nothing but the best for our combined airline, and we don't come on forums to argue about ridiculously petty things like who owns who or checking in. I know from meeting ASA guys that y'all are great people too, minus the few toolbags that are posting on this thread
It is true that I'm not a spokesperson for anyone or anything other than for myself. But please point out what bile I spewed. Only thing I've done is dispute inaccuracies and state facts.
Last edited by Nevets; 08-25-2014 at 04:37 PM.
08-25-2014, 04:55 PM
#7027
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Nov 2012
Position: ERJ, CA
Posts: 718
Nevets has revealed all the machinations that Inc. and Cal went through to undermine Expressjet.
In a nutshell, Inc. conspired with CAL mgmt. to buy out Expressjet. During the due diligence process, Inc. got access to Expressjet books and knew EXACTLY how much Expressjet was making. When the buyout failed (as I believe they knew it would), they were able to use this info to underbid Expressjet and receive CAL flying. In short, they made the bed they are now lying in. ExpressJet pilots know this. This fact, combined with the previous concessions and the current unwilling or unable mgmt. team, resulted in a resounding NO vote. Fool me once...
In a nutshell, Inc. conspired with CAL mgmt. to buy out Expressjet. During the due diligence process, Inc. got access to Expressjet books and knew EXACTLY how much Expressjet was making. When the buyout failed (as I believe they knew it would), they were able to use this info to underbid Expressjet and receive CAL flying. In short, they made the bed they are now lying in. ExpressJet pilots know this. This fact, combined with the previous concessions and the current unwilling or unable mgmt. team, resulted in a resounding NO vote. Fool me once...
08-25-2014, 06:17 PM
#7028
Stuck Mic
Joined APC: Dec 2013
Posts: 1,059
Nevets is not a spokesperson for L-XJT. He is a loud mouth spewing nothing but bile just like you are for the ASA side firsttimeflyer. Y'all seem to have the maturity of teenagers, not of grown men.
The majority of L-XJTer's are great people who want nothing but the best for our combined airline, and we don't come on forums to argue about ridiculously petty things like who owns who or checking in. I know from meeting ASA guys that y'all are great people too, minus the few toolbags that are posting on this thread
The majority of L-XJTer's are great people who want nothing but the best for our combined airline, and we don't come on forums to argue about ridiculously petty things like who owns who or checking in. I know from meeting ASA guys that y'all are great people too, minus the few toolbags that are posting on this thread
08-25-2014, 06:31 PM
#7029
Stuck Mic
Joined APC: Dec 2013
Posts: 1,059
Not gonna happen. But thanks for the well wishes.
I don't hate ASA guys and I haven't talked to anyone that does. I know the "we bought you so get on board" attitude rubs us the wrong way. And it's because of the implications of that comment: those people were all too happy for us to take concessions in order to consummate the merger. And to this day, well yesterday on this thread, we still get the we bought you line from some ASA guys, when it's not even true anyway!
As for profits, like I said, no one has ever denied Asa's profitability or XJT's loses. But no ASA guy here has yet to agree that that is no one but Skywest's fault for negotiating crappy CPAs. That's not placing blame, that's stating facts!
So if making the point that Skywest bought xjt and that the loses are not the fault of the pilot group is whining to you, then I don't know what to tell you.
For example, who is just whined about not making money, not working with others, throwing blame around, and supposedly wanting to drag the whole thing down? I don't hear any xjt people complain nearly as much about what ASA guys supposedly say than I do the other way around. And if you do hear it, it's mostly about the MEC itself. Us xjt people just try to counter the false accusations spewed on here.
I don't remember personally insulting you but if I did, I apologize.
I don't hate ASA guys and I haven't talked to anyone that does. I know the "we bought you so get on board" attitude rubs us the wrong way. And it's because of the implications of that comment: those people were all too happy for us to take concessions in order to consummate the merger. And to this day, well yesterday on this thread, we still get the we bought you line from some ASA guys, when it's not even true anyway!
As for profits, like I said, no one has ever denied Asa's profitability or XJT's loses. But no ASA guy here has yet to agree that that is no one but Skywest's fault for negotiating crappy CPAs. That's not placing blame, that's stating facts!
So if making the point that Skywest bought xjt and that the loses are not the fault of the pilot group is whining to you, then I don't know what to tell you.
For example, who is just whined about not making money, not working with others, throwing blame around, and supposedly wanting to drag the whole thing down? I don't hear any xjt people complain nearly as much about what ASA guys supposedly say than I do the other way around. And if you do hear it, it's mostly about the MEC itself. Us xjt people just try to counter the false accusations spewed on here.
I don't remember personally insulting you but if I did, I apologize.
08-25-2014, 07:01 PM
#7030
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Feb 2008
Position: CRJ200 Capt.
Posts: 822
Nevets and others try to blame all of this on some grand conspiracy of SkyWest Inc. to purposely make XJT unprofitable. That simply isn't true.
The fact is, LXJT pilots are living in a bubble from the past. They think this is still the world when they were CAL's exclusive feed and had a 10 percent cost plus CPA as the exclusive feed. In addition, CAL Exp. and later XJT, never experienced the whipsaw that Delta and United have been using for decades. The DCI and United Express battlefield are littered with corpses of dead regionals or regionals that rebranded after Delta and United got done with them. WestAir, AirWisc, Comair, ACA, etc.
These aren't "little trivial" differences. There is a huge cultural difference between the two carriers. There are huge differences in expectations. And then there is the very real difference pertaining to scheduling methods.
After four years, not only haven't those differences been narrowed, they have actually grown. It is time to move on. As Nevets says, everyone needs a plan B. The ASA side is executing their plan B. That is protecting the interests of their pilots.
The fact is, LXJT pilots are living in a bubble from the past. They think this is still the world when they were CAL's exclusive feed and had a 10 percent cost plus CPA as the exclusive feed. In addition, CAL Exp. and later XJT, never experienced the whipsaw that Delta and United have been using for decades. The DCI and United Express battlefield are littered with corpses of dead regionals or regionals that rebranded after Delta and United got done with them. WestAir, AirWisc, Comair, ACA, etc.
These aren't "little trivial" differences. There is a huge cultural difference between the two carriers. There are huge differences in expectations. And then there is the very real difference pertaining to scheduling methods.
After four years, not only haven't those differences been narrowed, they have actually grown. It is time to move on. As Nevets says, everyone needs a plan B. The ASA side is executing their plan B. That is protecting the interests of their pilots.
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