What's the Latest at ASA/Expressjet?
06-16-2014, 04:12 AM
#6411
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I can confirm N110SY will travel from SGU to ATL tomorrow evening, and will carry with it leadership as well as various managers from a multitude of departments (Flight Ops, Flight Control, Inflight, Maintenance, etc) and they will be working with their counterparts at XJT on the best path forward.
I am also hearing that an announcement regarding the future of XJT will be made sometime during this trip. I don't believe bankruptcy will be any part of it.
I am also hearing that an announcement regarding the future of XJT will be made sometime during this trip. I don't believe bankruptcy will be any part of it.
06-16-2014, 05:32 AM
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I'll try to explain it. The XJT MEC's position hasn't changed since the failed TA when it comes to PBS. All they did was reiterate that. The two MECs and the company have already agreed to the Process for Interim and Single PBS that was part of that TA. So as far as the XJT MEC is concerned, that's the way forward.
Does the ASA MEC now have a different position other than what was already agreed to by all three parties in the form of the Process for Interim and Single PBS in the TA? If they do, then it's them opening up the can of worms again.
Does the ASA MEC now have a different position other than what was already agreed to by all three parties in the form of the Process for Interim and Single PBS in the TA? If they do, then it's them opening up the can of worms again.
06-16-2014, 06:15 AM
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The current XJT line builder globalizes. The you undo ALL the global effects with trip trading. Even Eagle in BK didn't want a global solver and managed to avoid it. Republic avoided it as well. However, the XJT pilot group has to do something that everyone who's come before them avoided. While other groups ran away from global solver, they run right to one because they can preserve the 75 hour line for the ultra senior while the majority has to fly a bunch. What they fail to understand is that, they will get their 75 hour line but the solver still has to cover the days. Therefore, the 75 hour line wishers will work just as many days all while making guarantee.
06-16-2014, 07:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Nevets
I'll try to explain it. The XJT MEC's position hasn't changed since the failed TA when it comes to PBS. All they did was reiterate that. The two MECs and the company have already agreed to the Process for Interim and Single PBS that was part of that TA. So as far as the XJT MEC is concerned, that's the way forward.
Does the ASA MEC now have a different position other than what was already agreed to by all three parties in the form of the Process for Interim and Single PBS in the TA? If they do, then it's them opening up the can of worms again.
Wasn't the Process Agreement for PBS contingent on the passage of the JCBA? I'm pretty sure that thing is dead or else the L-XJT group just got PBS imposed on them without a pilot vote.
Originally Posted by Nevets
I'll try to explain it. The XJT MEC's position hasn't changed since the failed TA when it comes to PBS. All they did was reiterate that. The two MECs and the company have already agreed to the Process for Interim and Single PBS that was part of that TA. So as far as the XJT MEC is concerned, that's the way forward.
Does the ASA MEC now have a different position other than what was already agreed to by all three parties in the form of the Process for Interim and Single PBS in the TA? If they do, then it's them opening up the can of worms again.
Wasn't the Process Agreement for PBS contingent on the passage of the JCBA? I'm pretty sure that thing is dead or else the L-XJT group just got PBS imposed on them without a pilot vote.
06-16-2014, 07:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Flycameron
Why would they need to do BK with XJT? They don't need to do that. They can just continue awarding any new flying to Skywest and continue to wind down the XJT side of the operation. Whipsaw as you say it. XJT is too expensive, won't negotiate and is loosing money so you don't continue to put money into the operation you put it where you will get a return. They will not BK XJT!
The only benefit would be to have a judge throw out the labor contracts, and SKYW can basically scare XJT into signing a deal that cuts costs or shut them down. They can also renegotiate some of the CPAs. Like I said, I don't believe bankruptcy is in the plans.
Originally Posted by Flycameron
Why would they need to do BK with XJT? They don't need to do that. They can just continue awarding any new flying to Skywest and continue to wind down the XJT side of the operation. Whipsaw as you say it. XJT is too expensive, won't negotiate and is loosing money so you don't continue to put money into the operation you put it where you will get a return. They will not BK XJT!
The only benefit would be to have a judge throw out the labor contracts, and SKYW can basically scare XJT into signing a deal that cuts costs or shut them down. They can also renegotiate some of the CPAs. Like I said, I don't believe bankruptcy is in the plans.
06-16-2014, 10:14 AM
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But someone has decides that the Process for Interim and Single PBS agreement is no longer satisfactory to them. And judging by the latest XJT MEC communication, it wasn't them. So that only leaves the ASA MEC rehashing this PBS argument again and further delaying everything. Which is ok with me, by the way. I just want to point out to all the ASA people that it's not the XJT MEC doing this.
06-16-2014, 10:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Nevets
But someone has decides that the Process for Interim and Single PBS agreement is no longer satisfactory to them. And judging by the latest XJT MEC communication, it wasn't them. So that only leaves the ASA MEC rehashing this PBS argument again and further delaying everything. Which is ok with me, by the way. I just want to point out to all the ASA people that it's not the XJT MEC doing this.
I would say the pilots decided the PBS agreement wasn't satisfactory to them when they voted "no" by 83%. I think the pilots want to see a JCBA that has one retirement, insurance, scheduling section, etc. The PBS agreement doesn't do that, quite the opposite. It delays a true joint contract and just drags out the process. Seems to me that L-XJT is just trying to get "full pay til the last day."
Originally Posted by Nevets
But someone has decides that the Process for Interim and Single PBS agreement is no longer satisfactory to them. And judging by the latest XJT MEC communication, it wasn't them. So that only leaves the ASA MEC rehashing this PBS argument again and further delaying everything. Which is ok with me, by the way. I just want to point out to all the ASA people that it's not the XJT MEC doing this.
I would say the pilots decided the PBS agreement wasn't satisfactory to them when they voted "no" by 83%. I think the pilots want to see a JCBA that has one retirement, insurance, scheduling section, etc. The PBS agreement doesn't do that, quite the opposite. It delays a true joint contract and just drags out the process. Seems to me that L-XJT is just trying to get "full pay til the last day."
That's ok by me. One List or nothing!
06-16-2014, 11:05 AM
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Sure, it was the two pilot groups who voted the TA down. But when it comes down to how it really works in order to get another TA, the two MECs decide which parts of the TA will stay as is and which parts need to be reworked. And like I said, the XJT MEC has not changed their position on what was previously agreed to in terms of PBS. So the only reason why we are even having this discussion is because the other party wants to rehash this out again.
That's ok by me. One List or nothing!
That's ok by me. One List or nothing!
06-16-2014, 11:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Nevets
Sure, it was the two pilot groups who voted the TA down. But when it comes down to how it really works in order to get another TA, the two MECs decide which parts of the TA will stay as is and which parts need to be reworked. And like I said, the XJT MEC has not changed their position on what was previously agreed to in terms of PBS. So the only reason why we are even having this discussion is because the other party wants to rehash this out again.
That's ok by me. One List or nothing!
I guess my point is that the ASA MEC is trying to "rehash this out again" because they don't want it to take 2 years.
Originally Posted by Nevets
Sure, it was the two pilot groups who voted the TA down. But when it comes down to how it really works in order to get another TA, the two MECs decide which parts of the TA will stay as is and which parts need to be reworked. And like I said, the XJT MEC has not changed their position on what was previously agreed to in terms of PBS. So the only reason why we are even having this discussion is because the other party wants to rehash this out again.
That's ok by me. One List or nothing!
I guess my point is that the ASA MEC is trying to "rehash this out again" because they don't want it to take 2 years.
My point being is that it's not the XJT MEC changing their position on PBS. And it's not the XJT MEC going for full pay til last day, as you said since they are ok with the previously agreed upon process.
06-16-2014, 12:04 PM
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Did anyone ever decide/state exactly what it was about the PBS system that LXJT doesn't like.
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