What's the Latest at ASA/Expressjet?
05-21-2014, 08:23 PM
#6031
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Joined APC: Mar 2014
Posts: 484
You're wrong, sorry. It means they are simply being offered the opportunity to go back to the line until hiring spools up again. In the grand scheme it could mean many things. I remember once hiring slowed down in 2012 the TC furloughed, even line pilots were offered LOAs and guess what - The sky was falling and everyone was losing their jobs....Everyone kept their jobs and at the end of the day everyone was fine.
We've known we were going to lose these airplanes for a long time and quite frankly we were never properly staffed for the 135's to begin with. Attrition is high as is and will only accelerate in the months to come. We'll see what happens. Although the writing is on the wall, anything could happen...It just doesn't look good right now.
We've known we were going to lose these airplanes for a long time and quite frankly we were never properly staffed for the 135's to begin with. Attrition is high as is and will only accelerate in the months to come. We'll see what happens. Although the writing is on the wall, anything could happen...It just doesn't look good right now.
05-22-2014, 02:34 AM
#6032
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Joined APC: Mar 2014
Posts: 361
A: you didn't know there was a difference...or
2: you are a know it all needing a smart alec answer..
I realize now you just have a reading comprehension problem. I'm sorry.
05-22-2014, 02:48 AM
#6033
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Joined APC: Feb 2012
Position: PNF
Posts: 622
That was my question... are they 'furloughed' are or they simply going back to the line. When I think furlough I think without work, and with the 'writing on the wall' just didn't see how they would have been recalled. Good to hear they are just going back to the line. And it's a lot more than just the 135's if i'm not mistaken.
05-22-2014, 03:30 AM
#6034
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Joined APC: Jul 2012
Posts: 503
Currently scheduled classes, dates and names, will stay on schedule. BUT if you drop out or want to change your date, most likely will not allow, that seat will not be back filled.
Interviews already scheduled will continue as scheduled.
No more dates for classes scheduled or anticipated after August.
Interviews already scheduled will continue as scheduled.
No more dates for classes scheduled or anticipated after August.
05-22-2014, 04:23 AM
#6035
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Joined APC: Mar 2010
Posts: 1,951
Hiring has not stopped. Management is offering voluntary furloughs in the training department as the hiring/upgrade machine spools down due to the parking of aircraft as the year progresses. This is nothing we didn't know about - We knew we were losing aircraft at the end of the year and that hiring would slow down. So, it's slowing down, not stopping. That's the official word for now. That's not to say the writing isn't on the wall for this place though. It's definitely been there for a while. Not to mention this thread reeks of the Comair thread that ran about 3,000 pages before the company finally shut it's doors. Anybody else notice that?
You all can rationalize this all you want if it makes you feel better. Considering the massive attrition we're seeing, and what's expected in the future, them scaling down the ERJ training department is a very bad sign for LXJT pilots. Notice no such announcement came out on the CRJ side. You guys are about to park a lot more airplanes than previously announced because the SKW BOD is not impressed with our finances, and your MECs attempts to stall the JCBA and SLI. Now, unfortunately, it's the line pilots who will pay the price, not the ones who created the problem.
05-22-2014, 05:58 AM
#6036
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Joined APC: Apr 2014
Position: Da Bus
Posts: 481
See that light at the end of the tunnel? It's the train. But you guys go right on thinking it's the end of the tunnel with pots of gold waiting for you.
You all can rationalize this all you want if it makes you feel better. Considering the massive attrition we're seeing, and what's expected in the future, them scaling down the ERJ training department is a very bad sign for LXJT pilots. Notice no such announcement came out on the CRJ side. You guys are about to park a lot more airplanes than previously announced because the SKW BOD is not impressed with our finances, and your MECs attempts to stall the JCBA and SLI. Now, unfortunately, it's the line pilots who will pay the price, not the ones who created the problem.
You all can rationalize this all you want if it makes you feel better. Considering the massive attrition we're seeing, and what's expected in the future, them scaling down the ERJ training department is a very bad sign for LXJT pilots. Notice no such announcement came out on the CRJ side. You guys are about to park a lot more airplanes than previously announced because the SKW BOD is not impressed with our finances, and your MECs attempts to stall the JCBA and SLI. Now, unfortunately, it's the line pilots who will pay the price, not the ones who created the problem.
Sure we will shrink no matter what. However distasteful everyone finds 50 seaters, there is still a niche market for them. There isn't a 500 aircraft market for them, but there is a market. We have 140 XR's at XJT. I doubt those will go anywhere anytime soon. Unless another regional can find about 1,700 guys to staff those, I'd say XJT won't be shutting their doors anytime soon.
05-22-2014, 06:25 AM
#6037
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Joined APC: Mar 2010
Posts: 1,951
Negotiations for a new contract have nothing to do with our current fianacial situation. We signed a money losing contract with United. That was all Skywests' fault. Unless we all work for free, they will continue to lose money. If Skywest wants to turn XJT around, they need to negotiate a new contract with United.
Sure we will shrink no matter what. However distasteful everyone finds 50 seaters, there is still a niche market for them. There isn't a 500 aircraft market for them, but there is a market. We have 140 XR's at XJT. I doubt those will go anywhere anytime soon. Unless another regional can find about 1,700 guys to staff those, I'd say XJT won't be shutting their doors anytime soon.
Sure we will shrink no matter what. However distasteful everyone finds 50 seaters, there is still a niche market for them. There isn't a 500 aircraft market for them, but there is a market. We have 140 XR's at XJT. I doubt those will go anywhere anytime soon. Unless another regional can find about 1,700 guys to staff those, I'd say XJT won't be shutting their doors anytime soon.
A JCBA will reduce costs for the company. There is no denying that.
As for staffing, I bet SkyWest gets at least 1700 applicants out of 4000 when they shut this place down. Look at all the Comair pilots who went to other regionals and started over.
You guys are massively overplaying your hand.
05-22-2014, 06:39 AM
#6038
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Joined APC: Jan 2006
Posts: 199
With United's stunning Q1 loss, I doubt they will be ready to give SKW/XJT more money any time soon.
A JCBA will reduce costs for the company. There is no denying that.
As for staffing, I bet SkyWest gets at least 1700 applicants out of 4000 when they shut this place down. Look at all the Comair pilots who went to other regionals and started over.
You guys are massively overplaying your hand.
A JCBA will reduce costs for the company. There is no denying that.
As for staffing, I bet SkyWest gets at least 1700 applicants out of 4000 when they shut this place down. Look at all the Comair pilots who went to other regionals and started over.
You guys are massively overplaying your hand.
05-22-2014, 06:40 AM
#6039
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Joined APC: Dec 2007
Position: EMB 145 CPT
Posts: 2,934
Quote:
Originally Posted by FDX8891
Hiring has not stopped. Management is offering voluntary furloughs in the training department as the hiring/upgrade machine spools down due to the parking of aircraft as the year progresses. This is nothing we didn't know about - We knew we were losing aircraft at the end of the year and that hiring would slow down. So, it's slowing down, not stopping. That's the official word for now. That's not to say the writing isn't on the wall for this place though. It's definitely been there for a while. Not to mention this thread reeks of the Comair thread that ran about 3,000 pages before the company finally shut it's doors. Anybody else notice that?
See that light at the end of the tunnel? It's the train. But you guys go right on thinking it's the end of the tunnel with pots of gold waiting for you.
You all can rationalize this all you want if it makes you feel better. Considering the massive attrition we're seeing, and what's expected in the future, them scaling down the ERJ training department is a very bad sign for LXJT pilots. Notice no such announcement came out on the CRJ side. You guys are about to park a lot more airplanes than previously announced because the SKW BOD is not impressed with our finances, and your MECs attempts to stall the JCBA and SLI. Now, unfortunately, it's the line pilots who will pay the price, not the ones who created the problem.
Originally Posted by FDX8891
Hiring has not stopped. Management is offering voluntary furloughs in the training department as the hiring/upgrade machine spools down due to the parking of aircraft as the year progresses. This is nothing we didn't know about - We knew we were losing aircraft at the end of the year and that hiring would slow down. So, it's slowing down, not stopping. That's the official word for now. That's not to say the writing isn't on the wall for this place though. It's definitely been there for a while. Not to mention this thread reeks of the Comair thread that ran about 3,000 pages before the company finally shut it's doors. Anybody else notice that?
See that light at the end of the tunnel? It's the train. But you guys go right on thinking it's the end of the tunnel with pots of gold waiting for you.
You all can rationalize this all you want if it makes you feel better. Considering the massive attrition we're seeing, and what's expected in the future, them scaling down the ERJ training department is a very bad sign for LXJT pilots. Notice no such announcement came out on the CRJ side. You guys are about to park a lot more airplanes than previously announced because the SKW BOD is not impressed with our finances, and your MECs attempts to stall the JCBA and SLI. Now, unfortunately, it's the line pilots who will pay the price, not the ones who created the problem.
Typical, your posts never add up and you are all over the place.
Quote:
Originally Posted by disco inferno
Negotiations for a new contract have nothing to do with our current fianacial situation. We signed a money losing contract with United. That was all Skywests' fault. Unless we all work for free, they will continue to lose money. If Skywest wants to turn XJT around, they need to negotiate a new contract with United.
Sure we will shrink no matter what. However distasteful everyone finds 50 seaters, there is still a niche market for them. There isn't a 500 aircraft market for them, but there is a market. We have 140 XR's at XJT. I doubt those will go anywhere anytime soon. Unless another regional can find about 1,700 guys to staff those, I'd say XJT won't be shutting their doors anytime soon.
With United's stunning Q1 loss, I doubt they will be ready to give SKW/XJT more money any time soon.
A JCBA will reduce costs for the company. There is no denying that.
As for staffing, I bet SkyWest gets at least 1700 applicants out of 4000 when they shut this place down. Look at all the Comair pilots who went to other regionals and started over.
You guys are massively overplaying your hand.
Originally Posted by disco inferno
Negotiations for a new contract have nothing to do with our current fianacial situation. We signed a money losing contract with United. That was all Skywests' fault. Unless we all work for free, they will continue to lose money. If Skywest wants to turn XJT around, they need to negotiate a new contract with United.
Sure we will shrink no matter what. However distasteful everyone finds 50 seaters, there is still a niche market for them. There isn't a 500 aircraft market for them, but there is a market. We have 140 XR's at XJT. I doubt those will go anywhere anytime soon. Unless another regional can find about 1,700 guys to staff those, I'd say XJT won't be shutting their doors anytime soon.
With United's stunning Q1 loss, I doubt they will be ready to give SKW/XJT more money any time soon.
A JCBA will reduce costs for the company. There is no denying that.
As for staffing, I bet SkyWest gets at least 1700 applicants out of 4000 when they shut this place down. Look at all the Comair pilots who went to other regionals and started over.
You guys are massively overplaying your hand.
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