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05-09-2014, 01:33 PM
#5971
Line Holder
Joined APC: Jun 2012
Posts: 87
And as far as toxic.... Your MEC purposefully leaking information to you because they knew it would be put on web boards is no less inflammatory. Shoes on the other foot. How ya like it now?
05-09-2014, 07:01 PM
#5972
Banned
Joined APC: Dec 2007
Position: EMB 145 CPT
Posts: 2,934
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nevets
By the way, I stand behind what I said. Our CEO is running an immoral business model. If there is any hate, it's his hate for us as people who are just trying to make an honest living. He is trying to make his off of ours.
Gimme a break. Dropping your trip and then picking it back up at 200% is moral? Honest? *** ever. Get over yourself.
And as far as toxic.... Your MEC purposefully leaking information to you because they knew it would be put on web boards is no less inflammatory. Shoes on the other foot. How ya like it now?
Originally Posted by Nevets
By the way, I stand behind what I said. Our CEO is running an immoral business model. If there is any hate, it's his hate for us as people who are just trying to make an honest living. He is trying to make his off of ours.
Gimme a break. Dropping your trip and then picking it back up at 200% is moral? Honest? *** ever. Get over yourself.
And as far as toxic.... Your MEC purposefully leaking information to you because they knew it would be put on web boards is no less inflammatory. Shoes on the other foot. How ya like it now?
As for your accusation, show me anything I've written here or anywhere else that either wasn't an opinion or public knowledge. I am not in a position of any kind within my union saying that the other MEC is stalling in order to gain some sort of SLI advantage or saying that the other MEC has bad attitudes. How is that not more inflammatory than something that some line pilot says? He is the one who will have to work with the XJT MEC and NC, not me. I don't see how him saying these things, in the position he is now in, helps anyone. This is all on Will, not me. Trust me, I'm my own person and I speak MY mind. I have absolutely no problem telling anyone in their face, including my MEC who has rolled over in the past to put us in this situation, anything I've ever written here and that includes JA himself. Hopefully I will get the opportunity to speak with him in the right setting. But I won't expect anything other than excuses and rationalizations, just like before.
Last edited by Nevets; 05-09-2014 at 07:12 PM.
05-10-2014, 05:36 AM
#5973
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Mar 2010
Posts: 1,951
I personally find it hilarious that some people in positions of power think they can act totally unprofessional behind closed doors, and not expect it to get out. Then they send their internet trolls to make ad hominem attacks when it gets publicized. Hopefully they will treat their positions with seriousness and sobriety going forward. I'll have no problem working with people who act like professionals. I will treat children like children.
05-10-2014, 07:57 AM
#5974
Banned
Joined APC: Dec 2007
Position: EMB 145 CPT
Posts: 2,934
I personally find it hilarious that some people in positions of power think they can act totally unprofessional behind closed doors, and not expect it to get out. Then they send their internet trolls to make ad hominem attacks when it gets publicized. Hopefully they will treat their positions with seriousness and sobriety going forward. I'll have no problem working with people who act like professionals. I will treat children like children.
One thing to keep in mind now that you are in your position of power, just because your colleagues don't agree with you, it doesn't mean they are against you. We all, as professionals, understand or should understand that each MEC has a fiduciary responsibility to their pilots they represent first, as the line pilots have directed them with their concerns. It's not personal. But you make it personal when you come on here and let it out, as you say, under the guise that they have nefarious motives.
05-10-2014, 11:21 AM
#5975
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jun 2013
Position: Left Seat
Posts: 245
There you go again. You aren't professional enough to speak with them behind those closed doors about these concerns you have with them. Instead, presumably, you stay quite and then come on here and throw out personal attacks for the peanut gallery to read and expect everyone to just say, ok?
One thing to keep in mind now that you are in your position of power, just because your colleagues don't agree with you, it doesn't mean they are against you. We all, as professionals, understand or should understand that each MEC has a fiduciary responsibility to their pilots they represent first, as the line pilots have directed them with their concerns. It's not personal. But you make it personal when you come on here and let it out, as you say, under the guise that they have nefarious motives.
One thing to keep in mind now that you are in your position of power, just because your colleagues don't agree with you, it doesn't mean they are against you. We all, as professionals, understand or should understand that each MEC has a fiduciary responsibility to their pilots they represent first, as the line pilots have directed them with their concerns. It's not personal. But you make it personal when you come on here and let it out, as you say, under the guise that they have nefarious motives.
AnchorDown
05-10-2014, 12:19 PM
#5976
Banned
Joined APC: Dec 2007
Position: EMB 145 CPT
Posts: 2,934
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nevets
There you go again. You aren't professional enough to speak with them behind those closed doors about these concerns you have with them. Instead, presumably, you stay quite and then come on here and throw out personal attacks for the peanut gallery to read and expect everyone to just say, ok?
One thing to keep in mind now that you are in your position of power, just because your colleagues don't agree with you, it doesn't mean they are against you. We all, as professionals, understand or should understand that each MEC has a fiduciary responsibility to their pilots they represent first, as the line pilots have directed them with their concerns. It's not personal. But you make it personal when you come on here and let it out, as you say, under the guise that they have nefarious motives.
Yeah, such as you leaking a letter from the smartpref morons on fi.com? Geez you're a broken record and do more damage to your pilot group every time you post. So thank you for helping us out.
AnchorDown
Originally Posted by Nevets
There you go again. You aren't professional enough to speak with them behind those closed doors about these concerns you have with them. Instead, presumably, you stay quite and then come on here and throw out personal attacks for the peanut gallery to read and expect everyone to just say, ok?
One thing to keep in mind now that you are in your position of power, just because your colleagues don't agree with you, it doesn't mean they are against you. We all, as professionals, understand or should understand that each MEC has a fiduciary responsibility to their pilots they represent first, as the line pilots have directed them with their concerns. It's not personal. But you make it personal when you come on here and let it out, as you say, under the guise that they have nefarious motives.
Yeah, such as you leaking a letter from the smartpref morons on fi.com? Geez you're a broken record and do more damage to your pilot group every time you post. So thank you for helping us out.
AnchorDown
05-10-2014, 03:43 PM
#5977
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jun 2013
Position: Left Seat
Posts: 245
Helping us out? That's the mentality that does more damage than anything else. It's not a you against me situation here yet many people keep behaving like it is. And for the record, I got grief about that letter from my own MEC. It wasn't any of them who showed me that letter. And I published it on my own accord. I don't have an agenda. I post public knowledge facts and my opinion from one line pilot's point of view. You give me way to much credit as far being able to do any damage, but thanks for the power you think I have.
AnchorDown
05-10-2014, 04:57 PM
#5978
Banned
Joined APC: Dec 2007
Position: EMB 145 CPT
Posts: 2,934
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nevets
Helping us out? That's the mentality that does more damage than anything else. It's not a you against me situation here yet many people keep behaving like it is. And for the record, I got grief about that letter from my own MEC. It wasn't any of them who showed me that letter. And I published it on my own accord. I don't have an agenda. I post public knowledge facts and my opinion from one line pilot's point of view. You give me way to much credit as far being able to do any damage, but thanks for the power you think I have.
As you should have, you used extremely poor judgement in posting that, along with most other things you post. Over and over and over again, ad nauseum. Wow, glad you cleared that up, I trust you now! Why don't you c'mon over, start a cult then we can finally see the light of whatever argument you'll ague.... Over, and over, and over and over and over again.
AnchorDown
Originally Posted by Nevets
Helping us out? That's the mentality that does more damage than anything else. It's not a you against me situation here yet many people keep behaving like it is. And for the record, I got grief about that letter from my own MEC. It wasn't any of them who showed me that letter. And I published it on my own accord. I don't have an agenda. I post public knowledge facts and my opinion from one line pilot's point of view. You give me way to much credit as far being able to do any damage, but thanks for the power you think I have.
As you should have, you used extremely poor judgement in posting that, along with most other things you post. Over and over and over again, ad nauseum. Wow, glad you cleared that up, I trust you now! Why don't you c'mon over, start a cult then we can finally see the light of whatever argument you'll ague.... Over, and over, and over and over and over again.
AnchorDown
Anything else you care to entertain me with?
05-10-2014, 05:33 PM
#5979
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jun 2013
Position: Left Seat
Posts: 245
Like I said, I'm my own person. No one tells me what to say. That letter wasn't privileged information. And it showed who really was unreasonable, and that coming from a third party. The only harm it might have had was in the credibility of those who insisted that certain people were professional when they actually weren't. I have absolutely no regrets! And I don't care if a few anonymous people don't trust me. I have no problem repeating my opinions. At least they are consistent. And the fact that you actually remember that letter enough to actually bring it back up and think it was in poor judgement, only helps the entertainment value of this forum for me, thanks. It truly was fun reading the posts trying to defend the accusations from that letter!
Anything else you care to entertain me with?
Anything else you care to entertain me with?
AnchorDown
05-11-2014, 05:03 AM
#5980
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Mar 2010
Posts: 1,951
There you go again. You aren't professional enough to speak with them behind those closed doors about these concerns you have with them. Instead, presumably, you stay quite and then come on here and throw out personal attacks for the peanut gallery to read and expect everyone to just say, ok?
One thing to keep in mind now that you are in your position of power, just because your colleagues don't agree with you, it doesn't mean they are against you. We all, as professionals, understand or should understand that each MEC has a fiduciary responsibility to their pilots they represent first, as the line pilots have directed them with their concerns. It's not personal. But you make it personal when you come on here and let it out, as you say, under the guise that they have nefarious motives.
One thing to keep in mind now that you are in your position of power, just because your colleagues don't agree with you, it doesn't mean they are against you. We all, as professionals, understand or should understand that each MEC has a fiduciary responsibility to their pilots they represent first, as the line pilots have directed them with their concerns. It's not personal. But you make it personal when you come on here and let it out, as you say, under the guise that they have nefarious motives.
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