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Old 05-07-2014, 10:40 AM
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Originally Posted by air101
lol right. It's just the blame game. They fail to realize just how dire their financial position was when Inc purchased them in 2010, November 12th to be exact. The 7-year CPA that was signed was done in 2008, when SkyWest originally attempted to buy out ExpressJet, but failed due to the new CPA being signed with Continental at the time. They ended their independent ExpressJet operations and furloughed 347 pilots in 2008, I guess this is SkyWest's fault too. Fact of the matter is, ExpressJet had been on the decline financially ever since they were spun off from Continental in 2002. In 2005 Continental was set to reduce the fleet by 69 aircraft and that's when they got the bright idea to operate them independently. That was the beginning of the end.
So INC purchased them knowing the CPA was unprofitable? Kind of doest sound like a winning argument. Or they had a genius plan to force concessions after buying an underbid contract? You might wanna stick with, they wanted to tap the United feed market and didn't anticipate on the united/Cal merger?
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Old 05-07-2014, 11:35 AM
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Next, even if ASA wasn't ALPA, federal law requires a fair and equitable integration.

The ONLY thing you got correct is that they XJT MEC rolled over on enforcing our holding letter.
You seriously need to learn how to multi-quote. It is sad that you have as many posts as you do and you are too ignorant to figure out how to quote people properly.

Fair and equitable integration? How about you ask the ALPA represented AirTran pilot group about fair and equitable.
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Old 05-07-2014, 11:45 AM
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Originally Posted by air101
lol right. It's just the blame game. They fail to realize just how dire their financial position was when Inc purchased them in 2010, November 12th to be exact. The 7-year CPA that was signed was done in 2008, when SkyWest originally attempted to buy out ExpressJet, but failed due to the new CPA being signed with Continental at the time. They ended their independent ExpressJet operations and furloughed 347 pilots in 2008, I guess this is SkyWest's fault too. Fact of the matter is, ExpressJet had been on the decline financially ever since they were spun off from Continental in 2002. In 2005 Continental was set to reduce the fleet by 69 aircraft and that's when they got the bright idea to operate them independently. That was the beginning of the end.
What has happened or what could have happened in the past makes no difference to what is happening currently. Why it is being brought up is not in anyway constructive. It just causes hostilities and makes you seem like a douche. We are all owned by skywest Inc and they run the show. If one operation is performing poorly, it affects all of us under the Inc umbrella. They have control over all business decisions. Xjt managment is only responsible for the operational control of this side. You say xjt fails to see this and that. You fail to see that Inc is ultimately responsible for the financial health of both airlines. Also that you are not immune to financial woes spreading from one side to another. This is all a wipsaw game right now and you're buying in.
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Old 05-07-2014, 12:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Firsttimeflyer
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Next, even if ASA wasn't ALPA, federal law requires a fair and equitable integration.

The ONLY thing you got correct is that they XJT MEC rolled over on enforcing our holding letter.




You seriously need to learn how to multi-quote. It is sad that you have as many posts as you do and you are too ignorant to figure out how to quote people properly.

Fair and equitable integration? How about you ask the ALPA represented AirTran pilot group about fair and equitable.
SWA/ATN can't happen in this situation because both ASA and XJT have alter ego language in their respective contracts (and was also spelled out in the T&PA), which ATN doesn't have and thus the coercion from their CEO. But I'm sure you knew that. All that fair and equitable means is that a neutral third party (arbitrator) decides or the pilots come to a mutual agreement (neither of which happened in the case of SWA/ATN). Look up LPPs section 3 & 13 of Allegheny-Mohawk. That's what prevails in the instance ASA/XJT aren't represented by the same bargaining agent.

Anyway, I'm on my phone and this app doesn't seem to be user friendly when it comes to quoting. But if you have such a big problem with it, oh well.
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Old 05-07-2014, 02:48 PM
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As previously posted.

XJT is the airline that could not:

book a hotel or deadhead correctly for three months
cannot pay employees correctly without involving multiple people and departments
keep track of deadheads

That is:
losing newhires at an unprecedented rate
paying 200% instead of actually planning for staffing

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Old 05-07-2014, 03:02 PM
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that is still a skw inc problem. They management work for skw inc.
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Old 05-07-2014, 03:12 PM
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Originally Posted by buddies8
that is still a skw inc problem. They management work for skw inc.
It's not SKW management it's ExpressJet management. Yes they are employed by Inc but it's two separate entities. They know it's not working now they need to fix it. Regardless of who is to blame. Facts remain that the ExpressJet side loses money. Now they must stop that. Are they going to give in to the demands of a pilot group that's in denial or are they going to find a way to just wind the whole thing down?? Nobody has those answers but whatever it's gonna be is going to have to happen sooner rather than later.
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Old 05-07-2014, 03:13 PM
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Originally Posted by buddies8
that is still a skw inc problem. They management work for skw inc.

Yes, I know. I am blaming the top dogs on this all the way. OO also colluded with Continental by using a buy offer of XJT, financed by Continental in order to get a look at the books and use it to underbid XJT. This forced the XJT to bid even lower to retain the Continetal contract and THIS is what caused XJT's rapid decline...courtesy Kellner and Atkin.

Yet, OO knowing all this, still bought XJT in the end. Hmm.
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Old 05-07-2014, 03:53 PM
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Originally Posted by air101
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that is still a skw inc problem. They management work for skw inc.




It's not SKW management it's ExpressJet management. Yes they are employed by Inc but it's two separate entities. They know it's not working now they need to fix it. Regardless of who is to blame. Facts remain that the ExpressJet side loses money. Now they must stop that. Are they going to give in to the demands of a pilot group that's in denial or are they going to find a way to just wind the whole thing down?? Nobody has those answers but whatever it's gonna be is going to have to happen sooner rather than later.
Look, no matter what you think, it's all Inc management. And what demands from the pilot group are you talking about? No concessions? That's hardly a demand when the executives give themselves thousands of shares of stock and the corporation is paying the expense of two management salaries, two sets of staff, two sets of processes and systems, two sets of EVERYTHING! Our CEO wants us to subsidize that. Why should we pay out of our pockets in order to perpetuate his immoral whipsaw business model? So he can do it all over again next round? Are those the demands you are talking about? That's hardly a demand to not want pay cuts when they are incurring all these expenses. Stop being absurd! The only denial is here is from a group of pilots who refuse to engage thinking their best interests are number one in decisions made on their behalf!

I welcome the wind down. I rather not be part of his immoral whipsaw business practice.
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