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05-06-2014, 03:27 PM
#5891
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Joined APC: Oct 2013
Position: The right seat
Posts: 257
I think this is why people at OO think negatively of you guys. Nobody is wishing harm upon you, nobody is blaming you for anything. But the facts are the facts. You guys are not making money. There is no way United is going to make changes to the CPA. United wants to get rid of 50 seaters. It's business. If your business is losing money, you don't throw more money at it just to make the pilots happy in a feel good moment. You have to make tough choices to help reduce the loss and right the ship. Nobody is hoping you guys are all out of a job, nobody is hoping that you guys get stapled to the bottom of our seniority list. But we can no longer tolerate the excessive losses that are attributed to the L-XJ side of the operation. There are no good solutions or no answers that will make everyone happy, but the losses can't be sustained.
And I also believe that most (including myself) have NO desire to start over at OO as a new FO. Therefore I believe that if the intent is to wind down EV, then OO will have a very difficult time finding pilots to fill the void.
As previously stated, I also have no desire to do this job for a penny less. Make us all one list (which I know you all hate and I really have no desire for being an OO employee either). Then show me that we as ONE, I repeat O N E airline cannot turn a profit. Then (and only then) will i consider any concessions. PERIOD.
05-06-2014, 03:28 PM
#5892
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Joined APC: Jul 2008
Posts: 4,238
Kind of.. They bid the same price as SkyWest does.. No point in putting in a higher bid for XJT knowing you already have a lower bid in... Then yes if they get the flying its a "know loss" at XJT.. Im guessing a plan B is set in place and maybe will get a glimpse on thursday during the call.
05-06-2014, 05:40 PM
#5893
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Joined APC: Dec 2007
Position: EMB 145 CPT
Posts: 2,934
Quote:
Originally Posted by flyguy94
You talk about this as though you're calling the shots of XJT. Give me a break dude. Fact is, its Skywests fault those CPA's exist. Skywest is spending a lot of money fixing the XJT operation, they aren't doing that to shut the doors. They have been opening domiciles, replacing management etc etc.
And it's not working. Like I stated, I am not casting blame upon anyone. However, facts are facts.
Originally Posted by flyguy94
You talk about this as though you're calling the shots of XJT. Give me a break dude. Fact is, its Skywests fault those CPA's exist. Skywest is spending a lot of money fixing the XJT operation, they aren't doing that to shut the doors. They have been opening domiciles, replacing management etc etc.
And it's not working. Like I stated, I am not casting blame upon anyone. However, facts are facts.
05-06-2014, 05:59 PM
#5894
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Joined APC: Feb 2008
Position: CRJ200 Capt.
Posts: 822
Unless Inc agrees to a single list...You said you would do it for less in that case. Funny, you attack Skywest pilots for doing it for less, but you would do it for less as a a Skywest pilot yourself...
05-06-2014, 06:32 PM
#5896
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Joined APC: Dec 2007
Position: EMB 145 CPT
Posts: 2,934
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nevets
That's fine. Let the Skywest pilots fly them for less compensation. Because I certainly don't want to do it for a pent less than what I do it for today.
Unless Inc agrees to a single list...You said you would do it for less in that case. Funny, you attack Skywest pilots for doing it for less, but you would do it for less as a a Skywest pilot yourself...
Originally Posted by Nevets
That's fine. Let the Skywest pilots fly them for less compensation. Because I certainly don't want to do it for a pent less than what I do it for today.
Unless Inc agrees to a single list...You said you would do it for less in that case. Funny, you attack Skywest pilots for doing it for less, but you would do it for less as a a Skywest pilot yourself...
05-06-2014, 06:42 PM
#5897
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Joined APC: Feb 2008
Position: CRJ200 Capt.
Posts: 822
Yes because that'll probably be the only way to stop them from coming back again for more concessions. It gets rid of the intra-corporation whipsaw. There is no point in agreeing in concessions if you leave the mechanism for them to be able to ask for more concessions again. This isn't rocket science.
It's really not rocket science...
05-06-2014, 06:57 PM
#5898
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Joined APC: Dec 2007
Position: EMB 145 CPT
Posts: 2,934
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nevets
Yes because that'll probably be the only way to stop them from coming back again for more concessions. It gets rid of the intra-corporation whipsaw. There is no point in agreeing in concessions if you leave the mechanism for them to be able to ask for more concessions again. This isn't rocket science.
Yeah because it worked so well for Mesa, EGL, RAH, and PNCL with their single lists....No concessions there...
It's really not rocket science...
Originally Posted by Nevets
Yes because that'll probably be the only way to stop them from coming back again for more concessions. It gets rid of the intra-corporation whipsaw. There is no point in agreeing in concessions if you leave the mechanism for them to be able to ask for more concessions again. This isn't rocket science.
Yeah because it worked so well for Mesa, EGL, RAH, and PNCL with their single lists....No concessions there...
It's really not rocket science...
05-06-2014, 08:06 PM
#5900
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Joined APC: Jul 2010
Position: CRJ
Posts: 419
I think this is why people at OO think negatively of you guys. Nobody is wishing harm upon you, nobody is blaming you for anything. But the facts are the facts. You guys are not making money. There is no way United is going to make changes to the CPA. United wants to get rid of 50 seaters. It's business. If your business is losing money, you don't throw more money at it just to make the pilots happy in a feel good moment. You have to make tough choices to help reduce the loss and right the ship. Nobody is hoping you guys are all out of a job, nobody is hoping that you guys get stapled to the bottom of our seniority list. But we can no longer tolerate the excessive losses that are attributed to the L-XJ side of the operation. There are no good solutions or no answers that will make everyone happy, but the losses can't be sustained.
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