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Old 05-02-2014, 07:15 AM
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Originally Posted by soakingpilot
Not to make it a he said she said but apparently you didnt read his response to my original plain vanilla question. Not sure where all the rest came from out of that. Regardless it was eventually answered by some other folks.
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Don't worry about it. Nothing you said displayed any sense of entitlement or whatever else you were accused of. People that haven't looked into working in the Middle East don't see a difference between a 50 seat RJ and a 70 seat RJ, when in reality it makes a huge difference if you want to work in that part of the world. I can see where some folks would want to give you a hard time, but it's only because they don't know the ins and outs of the EK application process.

If you just want to fly a big RJ for giggles and grins, it would be another story.
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Old 05-02-2014, 07:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Captain Tony
Please do not come work here. Based on what you've said here, and my knowledge that our recruiters troll this site, I'm sure they will have no problem figuring out who you are, though, so we won't have to worry about it.

I simply cannot wrap my mind around the entitlement mentality of Generation Me. You'll only go work for a regional flying "heavy" RJs. Then proceed to start telling people off for calling you out on it.

Do you guys realize how many new hires we've had terminated before they put in a year for things like refusing to show up for IOE because they didn't get the base they wanted, raising hell because they didn't get the aircraft they wanted, calling in sick repeatedly on probation, salling in sick and jumpseating/non reving on probation, telling off instructors/check airmen, etc...

This so called "pilot shortage" has made newhires of the participation trophy generation think the airlines owe them a job. That the airlines need them more than they need the airlines. It's astounding.
Jeesh, you fit the Grumpy Old Men attitude perfectly. Generalizing a generation because of someone's post is pretty ignorant. Every generation has a me-me-me group of people. And if your airline is hiring so many misfits then maybe your recruiters/hiring department need to be fired.
Maybe you haven't had your coffee yet but chill the H** out dude.

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Old 05-02-2014, 07:59 AM
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Originally Posted by soakingpilot
First I love how you dont know what your talking about ( yes the Mid East Carriers want people want heavier aircraft experience NO 135/45 or CR2 ). Second I enjoy how you just want to yell at people looking for information yet ask something does not sound right to you.

The only thing I need to get over is the attitude thats both defeating and depressing sometimes on this forum from people who just want to flame on and not aid the conversation.

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First off, you never said anything about flying outside the US. You sounded like some newbie who thinks he knows everything because he has an aero sci degree. There are a lot of you out there. Second bite my ass. I don't know if you're a US citizen, but in my opinion I would never live or work for anyone in the middle east as a US citizen. No matter how much they pay. But if that's for you, then have at it.

I was giving you information based on what you were saying. No one in the US carries about what size RJ you fly, and that upgrade and reserve times are infinite at ASA on the 700, especially in ATL. We are also slated to lose 23 aircraft on the ASA side between this and next year. So you would be stuck at the bottom for years. It would take you years to get a descent amount of time that would help you out with what you are trying to do. So yes, I do know what I'm talking about. I've been here a few years. Take my advice or not, but my advice is to go somewhere else
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Old 05-02-2014, 08:07 AM
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First off, you never said anything about flying outside the US.
He actually did mention flying in the ME in the same post as his "cut the mustard" comment.
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Old 05-02-2014, 08:12 AM
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Originally Posted by RamenNoodles
He actually did mention flying in the ME in the same post as his "cut the mustard" comment.
You are correct. I apologize. Sorry about that dude. I am a jerk lol. But seriously this guy should still go work for someone else if he wants go progress and get some time.
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Old 05-02-2014, 09:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Captain Tony
Please do not come work here. Based on what you've said here, and my knowledge that our recruiters troll this site, I'm sure they will have no problem figuring out who you are, though, so we won't have to worry about it.

I simply cannot wrap my mind around the entitlement mentality of Generation Me. You'll only go work for a regional flying "heavy" RJs. Then proceed to start telling people off for calling you out on it.

Do you guys realize how many new hires we've had terminated before they put in a year for things like refusing to show up for IOE because they didn't get the base they wanted, raising hell because they didn't get the aircraft they wanted, calling in sick repeatedly on probation, salling in sick and jumpseating/non reving on probation, telling off instructors/check airmen, etc...

This so called "pilot shortage" has made newhires of the participation trophy generation think the airlines owe them a job. That the airlines need them more than they need the airlines. It's astounding.

I'm a Gen X'er and i think it's great that people are quitting for not getting the base they want and telling instructors off. Aviation is so insular and there needs to be changes. Think about the FBO's you've been to, where everyone has some sort of exclusive attitude, no customer service, the feeling of the staff doing you a favor by allowing you to pay for flying.

That has transmitted int the airline world. Some of these instructors NEED to be told to F-off! The poor pay and treatment has been absorbed for too long. Maybe pos. space to work or better bases would help retain people. Maybe enough "hell raising" will draw attention to arrogant instructors who CAN"T INSTRUCT! I instructed for 3 years, and a lot of these instructors violate every Fundamental Of Instruction rule there is. In summary: we need push-back.
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Old 05-02-2014, 09:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Nevets
Don't pay attention to him. You are talking to someone who insist that Acey has two syllables, just because he can't admit he's wrong.

That was a weak comeback Putzeys. And it IS said with two syllables by our senior pilots from south Georgia. "Ayyy Ceeee". But yes, trot out a joke I made on the pipe 3 years ago because you can't rebut anything else I've said with facts.

Tell me, why is your MEC stalling negotiations? If they have authorization/mandate/consensus to vote in MOU 32, they have no reason to keep stalling negotiations...
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Old 05-02-2014, 10:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Captain Tony
Please do not come work here. Based on what you've said here, and my knowledge that our recruiters troll this site, I'm sure they will have no problem figuring out who you are, though, so we won't have to worry about it.

I simply cannot wrap my mind around the entitlement mentality of Generation Me. You'll only go work for a regional flying "heavy" RJs. Then proceed to start telling people off for calling you out on it.

Do you guys realize how many new hires we've had terminated before they put in a year for things like refusing to show up for IOE because they didn't get the base they wanted, raising hell because they didn't get the aircraft they wanted, calling in sick repeatedly on probation, salling in sick and jumpseating/non reving on probation, telling off instructors/check airmen, etc...

This so called "pilot shortage" has made newhires of the participation trophy generation think the airlines owe them a job. That the airlines need them more than they need the airlines. It's astounding.
Another 3.5 striper in the making for you captn tony
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Old 05-02-2014, 11:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Captain Tony
That was a weak comeback Putzeys. And it IS said with two syllables by our senior pilots from south Georgia. "Ayyy Ceeee". But yes, trot out a joke I made on the pipe 3 years ago because you can't rebut anything else I've said with facts.

Tell me, why is your MEC stalling negotiations? If they have authorization/mandate/consensus to vote in MOU 32, they have no reason to keep stalling negotiations...
Will someone post the details on both mous.... Please.
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Old 05-02-2014, 11:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Nevets


Don't pay attention to him. You are talking to someone who insist that Acey has two syllables, just because he can't admit he's wrong.






That was a weak comeback Putzeys. And it IS said with two syllables by our senior pilots from south Georgia. "Ayyy Ceeee". But yes, trot out a joke I made on the pipe 3 years ago because you can't rebut anything else I've said with facts.

Tell me, why is your MEC stalling negotiations? If they have authorization/mandate/consensus to vote in MOU 32, they have no reason to keep stalling negotiations...
Man, you just can't take an inside joke that probably no one other than you and I would get. I even put I little winky face on that post. Can you ever just keep calm?

Anyway, I don't know why you insist on asking me questions about the XJT MEC as if I'm a rep. All I know is that we made it known to them that we are not interested in work rule change MOUs unless there are absolutely no give backs, or it's just overwhelmingly in favor of the pilots, like the CMT LOA. So they unanimously rejected MOU 31. Other than that, they have the blessing to pass any MOU that clarifies existing language or codifies current practice, like MOU 32 does. You know, the things that MOUs are actually meant for? As for negotiations, make up your mind. First you accuse the XJT MEC of stalling when in fact there are at least three very good reasons why they are doing their due diligence. Then you said they changed their minds since now they are meeting with the company in May. But today you say they are stalling. So which is it?
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