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Old 04-28-2014, 02:48 PM
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With all this talk of shrinkage, what about all these new aircraft orders for skywest Inc. ? They have to go somewhere. I guess it's possible they all go to skywest, but unlikely. Are they playing the wipsaw game with those because of the negotiations?
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Old 04-28-2014, 02:54 PM
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With all this talk of shrinkage, what about all these new aircraft orders for skywest Inc. ? They have to go somewhere. I guess it's possible they all go to skywest, but unlikely. Are they playing the wipsaw game with those because of the negotiations?
Yes. We are in the punishment phase right now. They told us that if we voted down the concessionary TA we will have a static fleet plan. They are parking existing aircraft as their leases or CPA expire.

In the meantime, the warden keeps playing nice with the favored inmates and gives them all the aircraft. It's too bad those inmates don't see the injustice of a concessionary contract and don't help us against our warden. They'd lose the warden's graces though so they turn their back on their fellow inmates instead.

And the whipsaw continues.
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Old 04-28-2014, 03:37 PM
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Then whenever we do vote in a contract, things may change? Not to say I will bend to bullying. No pay, no fly. But just curious what happens after a ratified agreement.
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Old 04-28-2014, 03:56 PM
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Yes. We are in the punishment phase right now. They told us that if we voted down the concessionary TA we will have a static fleet plan. They are parking existing aircraft as their leases or CPA expire.

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If it was going to be any different if we voted for the TA, they could have just included a guarantee of new aircraft in the TA. They didn't so I can only conclude they'd never intended to give us new planes ... ever.

In the meantime we still getting paid more $$ to fly these planes.
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Old 04-28-2014, 05:07 PM
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Then whenever we do vote in a contract, things may change? Not to say I will bend to bullying. No pay, no fly. But just curious what happens after a ratified agreement.
Our current contract is already millions more expensive than Skywest's. We won't vote in a concessionary contract. So any new contract we do vote in will be even more expensive. So I don't see us getting any new flying either way. We are held hostage by the inmates on the other side of the prison.
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Old 04-28-2014, 09:19 PM
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So I think its time to tuck and roll out of this biatch then
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Old 04-28-2014, 09:46 PM
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Then whenever we do vote in a contract, things may change? Not to say I will bend to bullying. No pay, no fly. But just curious what happens after a ratified agreement.
We will get some airplanes, but once our cost is set, they can go to the Skywesties and give them the maximum number of airplanes allowed by our scope agreement, and then proceed to violate our scope with more airplanes to their side that we can possibly fight about in court, if ALPA will bother to fight it. So scope is key, how Inc. allocates the airplanes, or figures out how to push pilots to the cheaper side.
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Old 04-28-2014, 10:12 PM
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Originally Posted by CaptainNameless
We will get some airplanes, but once our cost is set, they can go to the Skywesties and give them the maximum number of airplanes allowed by our scope agreement, and then proceed to violate our scope with more airplanes to their side that we can possibly fight about in court, if ALPA will bother to fight it. So scope is key, how Inc. allocates the airplanes, or figures out how to push pilots to the cheaper side.
So me sitting at 6 year FO with over 300+ senior to me to upgrade can pretty much say that upgrading here is never gonna happen
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Old 04-28-2014, 10:16 PM
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Originally Posted by CaptainNameless
We will get some airplanes, but once our cost is set, they can go to the Skywesties and give them the maximum number of airplanes allowed by our scope agreement, and then proceed to violate our scope with more airplanes to their side that we can possibly fight about in court, if ALPA will bother to fight it. So scope is key, how Inc. allocates the airplanes, or figures out how to push pilots to the cheaper side.
I wouldn't bet any money on it. SkyWest want's to get rid of ExpressJet, but its not going to happen as quickly as they want. Y'all are too expensive and without a concessionary contract, you're not going to get any cheaper to operate. Mainline partners certainly aren't going to just willingly pay more for the flying they get today for way cheap, ex: United. You guys may get some improvements in the near term but the goal in the end will be to wind down operations.
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Old 04-28-2014, 10:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Nevets
Our current contract is already millions more expensive than Skywest's. We won't vote in a concessionary contract. So any new contract we do vote in will be even more expensive. So I don't see us getting any new flying either way. We are held hostage by the inmates on the other side of the prison.
Don't they basically have what we have? I thought they got our pay plus 2% or something like that. I don't see how their contract is so much cheaper than ours. Maybe I don't understand something about how it works over there. The way this airline has been run the past few years and contracts that were signed with the majors seem to be a higher cost and the biggest expense to this airline. They are the reason we cost so much. I fail to see the peanuts we make as "expensive". That just sounds like an excuse to force concessions. Of course paying your pilots costs money, but to the point you can't afford it?
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