What's the Latest at ASA/Expressjet?
04-16-2014, 07:35 AM
#5601
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Joined APC: Sep 2012
Position: FO
Posts: 268
The company seems hell bent on not upgrading. Even when Delta said here's some flying a couple months ago they told them no, please reduce it, we need to shrink. The future bids will likely be flat as they move people out of Atlanta and shrink as the 717's come online. You say that we will start to see attrition in mass as delta ramps up. That's just not true. Many of our guys want to work for them but we no longer have a large percentage of their classes from our ranks. Flow throughs will prohibit civilian hiring from ASA. Most of the off the street will be military buddies and special hires. Not much space for ASA guys. I just can't be as optimistic as you after so many years of beatings.
It's a good argument to commute from atlanta to bid #15 in IAD, depends who you are. Shrinking of regionals is a GOOD THING long term. The few regionals standing will have the more expensive contracts because go jets and transtates (insert any lowball carrer hear) can't staff. You CANT have the one year upgrade without new FOs. Transtates already showed that slowed way way way down upgrading once the truth is revealed people will stop taking junk contracts to go there
Great Lakes used to have 3 month upgrade, now extended to infinite (disregarding all part 135 BS)
04-16-2014, 08:23 AM
#5603
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I've been beat down too, it will change it already is. Again atlanta is very senior but we have other bases, some people spend entire careers commuting blessing and curse to be able to live wherever you want in this career.
It's a good argument to commute from atlanta to bid #15 in IAD, depends who you are. Shrinking of regionals is a GOOD THING long term. The few regionals standing will have the more expensive contracts because go jets and transtates (insert any lowball carrer hear) can't staff. You CANT have the one year upgrade without new FOs. Transtates already showed that slowed way way way down upgrading once the truth is revealed people will stop taking junk contracts to go there
Great Lakes used to have 3 month upgrade, now extended to infinite (disregarding all part 135 BS)
It's a good argument to commute from atlanta to bid #15 in IAD, depends who you are. Shrinking of regionals is a GOOD THING long term. The few regionals standing will have the more expensive contracts because go jets and transtates (insert any lowball carrer hear) can't staff. You CANT have the one year upgrade without new FOs. Transtates already showed that slowed way way way down upgrading once the truth is revealed people will stop taking junk contracts to go there
Great Lakes used to have 3 month upgrade, now extended to infinite (disregarding all part 135 BS)
04-16-2014, 08:44 AM
#5604
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Joined APC: May 2006
Posts: 284
I've been beat down too, it will change it already is. Again atlanta is very senior but we have other bases, some people spend entire careers commuting blessing and curse to be able to live wherever you want in this career.
It's a good argument to commute from atlanta to bid #15 in IAD, depends who you are. Shrinking of regionals is a GOOD THING long term. The few regionals standing will have the more expensive contracts because go jets and transtates (insert any lowball carrer hear) can't staff. You CANT have the one year upgrade without new FOs. Transtates already showed that slowed way way way down upgrading once the truth is revealed people will stop taking junk contracts to go there
Great Lakes used to have 3 month upgrade, now extended to infinite (disregarding all part 135 BS)
It's a good argument to commute from atlanta to bid #15 in IAD, depends who you are. Shrinking of regionals is a GOOD THING long term. The few regionals standing will have the more expensive contracts because go jets and transtates (insert any lowball carrer hear) can't staff. You CANT have the one year upgrade without new FOs. Transtates already showed that slowed way way way down upgrading once the truth is revealed people will stop taking junk contracts to go there
Great Lakes used to have 3 month upgrade, now extended to infinite (disregarding all part 135 BS)
Eventually we will get on with the majors with tens of thousands of sic hours. By that time, all those who went to TSA/Compass/Mesa/gojets will have upgraded, got pic turbine and advanced to a major well before we were ever looked at. I'm not saying this just to flame. I feel it is just the way some things work. Timing and luck have much to do with this. I tell people this sincerely; never work for a regional, get a different gig when you are young, corporate, mil, etc. Bypass the nightmare. Honestly i think the new FO's will simply go where the upgrade is. Even though the contracts suck at the carriers upgrading, they will be captains so quickly that they will still make more money flying in the left seat then they would flying the right seat at any other regional bar none. It's a tough hiring situation, but SJS is alive and well, it always seems to prevail.
04-16-2014, 09:41 AM
#5605
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Position: FO
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I agree that regionals shrinking is a good thing. What I am saying is that hiring will be disproportionate. We wont see many guys from ASA getting on with Delta like we used to. Contract or no contract we will shrink in an expeditious manner. I really think that from this point forward the ASA side isn't planning on upgrading. They need FO's and not enough captains are leaving or will leave to justify upgrades in mass (maybe a handfull, under ten or so every three months). They will simply shrink to fit.
Eventually we will get on with the majors with tens of thousands of sic hours. By that time, all those who went to TSA/Compass/Mesa/gojets will have upgraded, got pic turbine and advanced to a major well before we were ever looked at. I'm not saying this just to flame. I feel it is just the way some things work. Timing and luck have much to do with this. I tell people this sincerely; never work for a regional, get a different gig when you are young, corporate, mil, etc. Bypass the nightmare. Honestly i think the new FO's will simply go where the upgrade is. Even though the contracts suck at the carriers upgrading, they will be captains so quickly that they will still make more money flying in the left seat then they would flying the right seat at any other regional bar none. It's a tough hiring situation, but SJS is alive and well, it always seems to prevail.
Eventually we will get on with the majors with tens of thousands of sic hours. By that time, all those who went to TSA/Compass/Mesa/gojets will have upgraded, got pic turbine and advanced to a major well before we were ever looked at. I'm not saying this just to flame. I feel it is just the way some things work. Timing and luck have much to do with this. I tell people this sincerely; never work for a regional, get a different gig when you are young, corporate, mil, etc. Bypass the nightmare. Honestly i think the new FO's will simply go where the upgrade is. Even though the contracts suck at the carriers upgrading, they will be captains so quickly that they will still make more money flying in the left seat then they would flying the right seat at any other regional bar none. It's a tough hiring situation, but SJS is alive and well, it always seems to prevail.
04-16-2014, 09:50 AM
#5606
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Joined APC: Sep 2007
Posts: 133
I agree that regionals shrinking is a good thing. What I am saying is that hiring will be disproportionate. We wont see many guys from ASA getting on with Delta like we used to. Contract or no contract we will shrink in an expeditious manner. I really think that from this point forward the ASA side isn't planning on upgrading. They need FO's and not enough captains are leaving or will leave to justify upgrades in mass (maybe a handfull, under ten or so every three months). They will simply shrink to fit.
Eventually we will get on with the majors with tens of thousands of sic hours. By that time, all those who went to TSA/Compass/Mesa/gojets will have upgraded, got pic turbine and advanced to a major well before we were ever looked at. I'm not saying this just to flame. I feel it is just the way some things work. Timing and luck have much to do with this. I tell people this sincerely; never work for a regional, get a different gig when you are young, corporate, mil, etc. Bypass the nightmare. Honestly i think the new FO's will simply go where the upgrade is. Even though the contracts suck at the carriers upgrading, they will be captains so quickly that they will still make more money flying in the left seat then they would flying the right seat at any other regional bar none. It's a tough hiring situation, but SJS is alive and well, it always seems to prevail.
Eventually we will get on with the majors with tens of thousands of sic hours. By that time, all those who went to TSA/Compass/Mesa/gojets will have upgraded, got pic turbine and advanced to a major well before we were ever looked at. I'm not saying this just to flame. I feel it is just the way some things work. Timing and luck have much to do with this. I tell people this sincerely; never work for a regional, get a different gig when you are young, corporate, mil, etc. Bypass the nightmare. Honestly i think the new FO's will simply go where the upgrade is. Even though the contracts suck at the carriers upgrading, they will be captains so quickly that they will still make more money flying in the left seat then they would flying the right seat at any other regional bar none. It's a tough hiring situation, but SJS is alive and well, it always seems to prevail.
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04-16-2014, 12:06 PM
#5609
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A total of 6 FOs have or will upgrade on the CRJ side for the period of Jan 2014-June 2014. That's it. It would have been 4, but two ultra-senior FOs decided to put in for upgrade all of a sudden on the last position notice (we're talking 13+ yrs of seniority). This would have displaced two CAs already in the left seat so the company actually did something nice and added two positions so these ...guys... wouldn't displace anyone. (I reserve my opinion of those two FOs for a verbal rant should anyone ask me in person)
04-16-2014, 12:18 PM
#5610
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Joined APC: Jun 2008
Position: CRJ
Posts: 309
A total of 6 FOs have or will upgrade on the CRJ side for the period of Jan 2014-June 2014. That's it. It would have been 4, but two ultra-senior FOs decided to put in for upgrade all of a sudden on the last position notice (we're talking 13+ yrs of seniority). This would have displaced two CAs already in the left seat so the company actually did something nice and added two positions so these ...guys... wouldn't displace anyone. (I reserve my opinion of those two FOs for a verbal rant should anyone ask me in person)
I don't work there but that's a screwed up contract if it allows for that.
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