What's the Latest at ASA/Expressjet?
07-18-2012, 03:24 PM
#542
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Read all XJT, Compass and Delta gouges that have info about the test. Read everything explained for the professional pilot, pilot mental math and aerodynamics for naval aviators. I used those to pass the test twice now. Works like a charm
07-18-2012, 03:26 PM
#543
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First off - Work the system? For XJT Bidding you look at what line you want, type in to a box and hit 'Submit'. Awarded in seniority order. Most of us at XJT feel that PBS is very fragile and sensitive when trying to get a decent line, and besides PBS could be the absolute best system out there - I'm not disagreeing one way or another - But from a technology standpoint most guys on the XJT side do not feel the company can successfully pull it off. IT-wise we've had so many failures in the past number of years, that if they want PBS they need a HUGE upgrade on the IT side.
I hate this statement. Might as well say "Well guys, everyone else has it so we need it too. Gotta be cost competitive."
I hate this statement. Might as well say "Well guys, everyone else has it so we need it too. Gotta be cost competitive."
As for my last statement, I think context is important - what happens if the company demands PBS and the pilot group says absolutely not. How will it look to the NTSB or a mediator if PBS is industry standard but we refuse?
As for your last statement, who cares what the mediator says? He can't force us to accept something from management we don't want, like completely getting rid of vacation low, for example.
07-18-2012, 03:33 PM
#544
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First, find out what State you will be collecting unemployment from....then go from there. Anything above that is like winning the lottery.
07-18-2012, 04:27 PM
#545
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NMB.. sorry, sticky fingers
It has varied by base/aircraft. IAD CA/FO and ATL FO are seeing large pots of 4 days and naps. We are still restricted by assumed coverage for the company so our Senority Open Time starting on the 21st only allows for same day trades or complete trip pick ups....starting the 25th reserve coverage is set and different day swaps are allowed...then the last day they allow split trip pickups only. It only becomes a free-for-all on the 1st of the next month.
Our post bid swap/drop/trade rules are restrictive and far inferior to what is allowed on the erj side. I was not saying the work rules are no different, only that there is the potential to 'play the system' and that I did not consider that a negative personally.
Honestly, that was my misunderstanding of the RLA - it seems the worst that might happen in that case is the NMB might not release us for 'self-help' if they don't think we're being reasonable. That being the case, it goes back to negotiation capital.
How much open time do you guys have (hours) once your trips are awarded? I thought your system completes the trip awarding process with as minimal amount of open time as possible. With our ILIW, it's first come first served with hundreds of hours in open time. Do you have positive coverage in order to drop trips? Do you have bad day worse day trades? Are there any day trips or two day trips in open time? I'm not talking about pilots' advertised trips by the way.
Our post bid swap/drop/trade rules are restrictive and far inferior to what is allowed on the erj side. I was not saying the work rules are no different, only that there is the potential to 'play the system' and that I did not consider that a negative personally.
As for your last statement, who cares what the mediator says? He can't force us to accept something from management we don't want, like completely getting rid of vacation low, for example.
07-18-2012, 07:14 PM
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Really dude? You seem pretty panty wadded self 
Moving on....
And what you guys can't seem to understand is the LIW's give pilots options. The standard point will be made. Junior ERJ pilot doesn't get what he wants due to being junior, LIW is the recourse. Junior CRJ pilot doesn't get the trips, days off, whatever he wants. Now lets throw in an unstack situation. What's his recourse?
That's a given. It's also a given that ASA management HATES ERJ vacation touch/trip drop. But seriously, what would you expect a management lackee to say? It's ALSO been stated that the ERJ side is more cost effecitve when it comes to pilots. You know that, right?
Concessions have ALSO been a "norm" in our industry. Does that mean we should take one?
See above. Besides, I think many of you guys have substandard understanding of how the LIW's work. Also, there's PLENTY of pilots that simply get what they want in the bid award and fly it and NEVER touch the ILIW.
This one is my favorite. What happened when the ERJ and the CRJ MEC met to discuss this? It's been beat to death here, and else where. Let's see, the ERJ MEC did research on flightline, and other systems. It was determined that flightline WOULDN'T work with the ERJ CBA, it just won't. But the CRJ MEC wasn't at all interested in exploring other systems. The CRJ MEC's mentality was bascially "F you we expect you guys to inherit our PBS, no questions. Too bad so sad". And please, spare me the "we bought you" argument if that's the best you can do.
Moving on....If you will listen carefully enough, most of us on the crj side will agree whole heartedly that your bidding work rules are very good for those who know how to work the system. Personally I would make out great using your work rules. But where a lot of other guys aren't biting on your work rules is they don't want to spend so much time swap/drop/trading to get what they want when they can get just as close when they actually bid.
The reserve 'discussion' isn't useful - the company saved money using PBS, just not as much as they originally expected. Looking at reserve levels is meaningless because the company is getting by with fewer pilots overall by making our monthly lines higher in value overall and more 'productive'. My contention with your statement was your 'if not more' proclamation. The big mistake the company now regrets is allowing vacation low. Before you disparage my fact checking, this is from the horse's mouth - SH 'director of aircraft ops'.
Some of your work rules would work out nicely incorporated into PBS, but no one on the CRJ side wants relief lines to come back. Instead of getting paid for the occasional vacation/training trip drops, many of us would rather be paid a higher overall average. Instead of having to be at our computers at the precise time to trade for open time to make our schedules better, many of us would prefer that our original schedule were good in the first place.
I like your contract - I'd take it as is, with the minor addition that I want solid duty rigs. That said, PBS is industry standard now and I don't see a joint contract without it. Why not be proactive and try to shape it into something you want before it is forced by mediation or whatever?
07-19-2012, 04:35 AM
#549
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Yes ASA did have trip touching.
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