Originally Posted by Bucking Bar

Mesabah,

What if proposed as a "take it or leave it" deal, open to a vote?

Merger protocol encourages pilots to reach a consensus on SLI as part of a JPWA.

IMHO it would be better if labor could get it's stuff together and then go to management instead of the current situation where management says "we're merging ... you children figure out who gets what corner of the sandbox."

Originally Posted by MR JT8D

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Originally Posted by Captain Tony


NVUS and Slats are known trolls, but even they need to research before they spew. Thanks to USAPA, a federal judge recently declared that if a union shop merges with a non union shop, Allegheny-Mohawk and McCaskill-Bond do not apply because the non union shop has no "bargaining agent". So if ASA AND SkyWest are merged while SKW is still non union, it's almost certain they would lose their seniority unless they voted in ALPA. They're banking ALPA gets voted out in such a merger, but that's a fantasy. So bring it on Slats and NVUS, I'll be nice to you when you're my FO.




Is there something in the water at Expressjet??? There is going to be ZERO merger, and ZERO seniority list integration. ZERO. You guys had spineless fish negotiating for years and produced ZERO. Why would anyone on the planet think they're going to merge now?

Originally Posted by NVUS

Wow...the only shred of hope you all have left is a complete merger of all three airlines. Gee how did someone as smart as JA not figure this out sooner? Oh right, because it's the one idea that is completely off the table. Perhaps if Inc was run by someone who hadn't invested almost 40 years of their life to building, they might entertain the idea. As it is, SkyWest is JAs family business, from the beginning when no one would take it off their hands for free, to what they've built it into today. They sure as heck aren't letting a unionized pilot group dictate how they run their business. Maybe you can all hopefully outlive JA and the next guy won't be as sentimental. Good luck!

Originally Posted by MR JT8D

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Originally Posted by NVUS


Wow...the only shred of hope you all have left is a complete merger of all three airlines. Gee how did someone as smart as JA not figure this out sooner? Oh right, because it's the one idea that is completely off the table. Perhaps if Inc was run by someone who hadn't invested almost 40 years of their life to building, they might entertain the idea. As it is, SkyWest is JAs family business, from the beginning when no one would take it off their hands for free, to what they've built it into today. They sure as heck aren't letting a unionized pilot group dictate how they run their business. Maybe you can all hopefully outlive JA and the next guy won't be as sentimental. Good luck!




Exactly. Couldn't be more on the money. All that XJT/ASA's management is doing right now is extracting as much $$$$$ as possible from the aircraft. They are going to sacrifice the pilots' for thier $$$$$. Yet, some don't see it coming. Every pilot there should jump ship, or accept the fact that they WILL be starting all over again. Everything is going as planned for management, they knew the TA would never pass.

Originally Posted by NVUS

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Originally Posted by flyingkangaroo


maybe not a unionized group. what about the board of directors? What about annoyed shareholders? SKYW... is a publicly traded company. They do a very good job with brainwashing you people. Try reading about how public companies work. just saying




And JA is President of the Board. Hard to argue with that, huh?

Originally Posted by amcnd

^they still have to run a airline... But i believe the path has been written out.. And one things for sure JA won't "dilute" his baby...

Originally Posted by Bucking Bar

A chart from Bombardier's C Series update is interesting.


That bump around 50 seats communicates to me that the death of the 50 seat platforms may be exaggerated (and Delta prefers to offer less capacity than demand to keep prices up). There will continue to be a market, perhaps not as large a market, but there is a market for that unit of capacity.

There are going to be problems staffing express carriers if the new ATP rule survives. Carriers (A4A) are already spinning up their lobbying efforts to roll back the rule, or amend it to allow a "Restricted ATP" who can only serve in a multi pilot crew environment (think intern > mentor, instead of FO / Captain).

It is too early to take any positions on the concept, but, my thought is that the better path is to make "express" jobs positions within the branded mainline carrier. There is no shortage of applicants at the legacy mainline carriers. One way to staff express positions, without lowering standards, is to assimilate the pilots already at the express carriers and replace them with pilots within the brand's seniority list as new hires come on board the branded express carrier.

It was a simple matter for Pan Am to extend it's seniority list down to capture Ransome (Pan Am Express) and some of those pilots retired from Delta Air Lines having enjoyed a tremendous career.

Only ALPA has the ability to reasonably facilitate such a vision. This is an opportunity for ALPA to provide real leadership and for ALPA membership to mean something again.

Originally Posted by Doug Heffernan

So what happens next now that the XJT pilot group voted down the last Agreement? Have talks resumed or is Inc. just telling the XJT pilot group that the sky is falling? What's the next step?

Originally Posted by Crazy Canuck

I keep getting airline apps messages form ExpressJet asking to interview me even though I do not even hold a US license. What is the deal with these guys? Is there at least movement?

Before someone tells me to read through this thread, please keep in mind that there are 5854 posts, most of which include very little factual information. Obviously, I'm picking through it. Ur don't have time to read it all.

Thanks

Originally Posted by FLYZERG

I have been getting them as well, never applied. Seems pretty obvious to me that airlineapps just strait up gives airlines your information without your permission.

Originally Posted by Crazy Canuck

Ok cool. But can anyone provide me with some actual feedback abou what's going on there? There's a lot of inside talk I don't understand in this thread.