Originally Posted by MR JT8D

No pay in training at L-XJT. Buy your own uniform. Two per-diem checks.

Double up on hotel room during training.

Originally Posted by MR JT8D

No pay in training at L-XJT. Buy your own uniform. Two per-diem checks.

Double up on hotel room during training.

Originally Posted by PeezDog

By my math, thats 4.5 three days for the month at 20 hours each. Does that sound about right? May i ask what base and and aircraft your on ? It cant be IAD, bc i would have seen those trips. We never get that there

Originally Posted by wmupilot85

4 three day trips, and a 3 day trip. One trip has a VERY late duty in, last flight out, so I could that as a day off IMO. I live in base, so me driving to work at 8 at night isn't a big deal as I've had the entire day off.

Originally Posted by newarkblows

You get paid per diem in training at XJT which is a flat rate. How are you getting per diem "checks" if they aren't paying you?

Any more good ones like Southwest rapidly expanding in EWR taking all XJT's gates or you telling us to short Skywest stock right before it tripled? Go back to your hole.

Originally Posted by PeezDog

Ah I see. Same as what I got. My trips aren't worth as much though. At number 25, I still can't get the higher credit trips I try to get lol

Originally Posted by Doug Heffernan

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Originally Posted by Trip7


They are probably at a smaller regional experiencing rapid growth. Smart move on their part.

One quick look at the XJT fleet plan over the next couple years and you quickly will notice an eye watering reduction of aircraft.

Good luck on getting a line, especially if you get placed on the CRJ side!




So you're saying all the 175's that SkyWest, Inc. has purchased are going to SkyWest Airlines? Nothing to XJT? Could SkyWest, Inc. be following RAH's lead and planning to have XJT go the way of Chautauqua?

If this does happen, the only difference I see between XJT and Chautauqua is that the XJT pilots would NOT be reabsorbed somewhere at SkyWest like the Chautauqua pilots were at Republic and Shuttle. Do I have this correct?

Say what you want about Republic, but at least the Chautauqua pilots were placed elsewhere when RAH decided to shrink them.

Is there any saving grace for XJT at all here? Any rumors of Inc giving them bigger aircraft? Rumors of XJT pilots being reabsorbed in the SkyWest system? Anything to help the XJT pilots see a light at the end of the tunnel?

Originally Posted by AnchorDown

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Originally Posted by Doug Heffernan


So you're saying all the 175's that SkyWest, Inc. has purchased are going to SkyWest Airlines? Nothing to XJT? Could SkyWest, Inc. be following RAH's lead and planning to have XJT go the way of Chautauqua?

If this does happen, the only difference I see between XJT and Chautauqua is that the XJT pilots would NOT be reabsorbed somewhere at SkyWest like the Chautauqua pilots were at Republic and Shuttle. Do I have this correct?

Say what you want about Republic, but at least the Chautauqua pilots were placed elsewhere when RAH decided to shrink them.

Is there any saving grace for XJT at all here? Any rumors of Inc giving them bigger aircraft? Rumors of XJT pilots being reabsorbed in the SkyWest system? Anything to help the XJT pilots see a light at the end of the tunnel?




The short answer is no. XJT turned down their JCBA, there will be no good news until that is resolved. That's just how it works in the airline bargaining world. SkyWest approved their pay package making St George happy, they get the spoils. Good news is, anybody trying to grow right now or simply staff what they have is growing increasingly difficult as nobody can keep up with attrition.

AnchorDown

Originally Posted by Slats

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Originally Posted by Hurryage65


Skywest cannot operate all the 175s with current routes/staffing. Xjt will get the planes if we are going to get them regardless of contract. Don't drink the koolaide of take concessions or no new planes. I'm glad only 17% are dumb enough to believe them




You seem to forget that the 200s will slowly go away. The 175's are what mainline wants, not 50seat weight restricted RJs. As 200's go away, those pilots will simply transfer to the 175 or MRJ when the time comes.

The amount of money that XJT loses on a daily bases, I find it very hard to believe that you'll get new airframes unless you all turn it around quick. The last quarterly call didn't seem too promising...

As for staffing, so far so good. Classes have been in 30-40 range. How long that will last is anyone's guess.

Originally Posted by Slats

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Originally Posted by CaptainNameless


It would be funny if they announced it on the 1st.




I give it about 6 months, maybe far less before something huge is announced. I will laugh at you guys then for not seeing something so obvious. My XJT ID expires in September. I would say even odds that the new one says Skywest on it. Inc. has to right its ship to deal with RAH, that means ending this ridiculous business with trying to merge XJT. The attempted merger is going to be put to rest soon. Time and resources cannot continue to be spent on failure.




Yeah and I suppose your billion dollar bracket will pan out as well...
There is something to consider here.... Why would Inc merge the list at your current seniority? OO has A LOT of pilots senior enough and definitely wouldn't want increase those #'s. I could see Inc winding down XJT and offering pref interviews to get the pilots we'll need at a much lower seniority/costs. I know it sucks but that's the way it goes unfortunately.

Originally Posted by Slats

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Originally Posted by Doug Heffernan


I think it's deplorable the way Inc treats XJT like the redheaded stepchild of their so called "family". And it's mostly due to the fact that XJT is unionized and SkyWest isn't. The pilots at SkyWest should grow some balls and become unionized to show solidarity. We all know that won't happen..... That would be a helluva lot easier than XJT getting rid of the union to kiss up to Inc. Getting rid of a union is like getting pi$$ out of a swimming pool. Once it's in there, it's in there.




Honestly, there's no need for us to unionize at this time, sorry.

Originally Posted by NVUS

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Originally Posted by CaptainNameless


There would be no "increase" in senior pilots. We all work here already, just on 3 different seniority lists. You do straight percentage integration to 2 decimal places, that should be enough for anything under 9,999 pilots. In case of a "tie" in percentage seniority, a list integration committee composed of members from each of the 3 groups takes turns spinning a 3-segmented wheel of fortune to determine order. Basically no one loses much of anything. If you lose a tiny bit on the wheel of fortune, you are just a little unlucky. It would be fair all around. You fence pretty much everything for a few years to avoid a Pinacolaba-style training fiasco, except upgrade vacancies. Upgrades go in order of the new list.

And Slats, I know you're a troll, but talking about pref interviews at OO is beyond silly. People would just leave even more than they already are if that was put in front of them. Inc. can't afford for pilots to just leave. I agree XJT may be bled down somewhat before all this happens, but that is happening anyway, and who really cares because your position on your list at time of integration is the only thing that matters. I am about 15% on the XJT list, and I will be about 15% on the new list if I'm still here when this is all done. If anything else is proposed I will go sell tires or walk dogs before moving 1 airplane anywhere for Inc. They know this. You should too.





The faster you leave, the faster we can kill that money losing operation. And instead of wasting money on XJT, Inc can waste it on employee compensation instead. I like how you think.

Originally Posted by Slats

Yeah and I suppose your billion dollar bracket will pan out as well...
There is something to consider here.... Why would Inc merge the list at your current seniority? OO has A LOT of pilots senior enough and definitely wouldn't want increase those #'s. I could see Inc winding down XJT and offering pref interviews to get the pilots we'll need at a much lower seniority/costs. I know it sucks but that's the way it goes unfortunately.