flyingkangaroo

Ehhhhh!!! Smoke and mirrors man. They can talk their asses off cause 83% of the pilots don't give a flying ______ anymore. In the end we all know greener pastures await and I think they might be starting to get it. It doesn't benefit them to not play ball. Shrinking drastically hinders the economies of scale that they wanted to much with this merger. Saying they are just going to comair us to get back the the greedy pilots is counter intuitive. You never succeed in business by refusing to do business..... If the end is near so be it, even if they wanted to give skywest massive growth, they wouldn't have the pilots to staff. The EMB-175's on order are for refleeting skywest and XJT. They just wanted to take a shot at getting us to sign on to garbage (which our pathetic union signed off on), don't be fooled, they will bid on contracts. The new normal ( pilot hiring situation) dictates higher paying contracts and the majors will re adjust.

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Hoser

If they don't and XJT disappears so does their gravy train jobs too. Only those at the top will move back to SKYW or retire after making those big salaries & stock deals, like BH for instance. Hang tough brothers & sisters, don't give up the fight. XJT may shrink but y'all are holding a pretty good hand right now.

MPAdriver

Any out there?

Nevets

They want us to tacitly approve of their heinous whipsaw model by voting in for concessions. All while they give themselves more stock.

One List or Nothing!!!

atrdriver

They don't keep pay stubs back that far, but I checked my year one W-2. It was $18,000 even for 12 months of work. ASA training pay is $300/week until you hit OE, and then you get guarantee and per diem. I'd plan on $1200/mo take home starting out. Unless you get placed at XJT... their year one pay structure is a little different and I don't know what that works out to in practical terms.

Nevets

At LXJT you get a per diem check (no taxes or deductions) of around $1500, I think but I'm not sure anymore. And I think that training lasts about 5 weeks but again, I'm not sure on that timeframe either. Then you get you monthly guarantee which is 75 hours a month multiplied by $23.05/hr. As for take home pay, way too many variables (what state do you live in and based in, your allowances, whether you contribute to your 401k, whether you buy insurance plans, uniform deduction, etc).

I would go with worse case scenario as far as typical schedule which means 11 days off a month on short call reserve.

spuzzyair

Wrong. ExpressJet is not going to be refleeted. Period. Inc will save an enormous amount of money by winding down expressjet and bringing the flying over to the SkyWest side of the house. Cheaper and don't have to deal with hostile unions. There's no point in operating two certificates when all one does is lose money. While you may not like the sound of it, it's a smart business move and we all know it's all about the money.

Nevets

Yes, the flying will be done by the cheaper pilots.

flyingkangaroo

Wrong. <----see what I did there... On a mature level I disagree with your assertion that Skywest can and will grow. Laws of supply and demand would dictate that the massive hiring need that Skywest airlines would have would simply be too much. With respect to the current pay structure, they wouldn't be able to procure enough applicants. There just aren't enough pilots out there that would be willing to work for the skywest's pay scale. At some point the majors may start shooting out RFP's to airlines that can staff the operation. While I agree XJT will shrink, it is likely that the new RFP's will contain higher revenue numbers. The higher paying RFP's will easily make a viable company. Simply giving Jets and RFP's to skywest will not work, they just wont have the pilot supply. While ASA/XJT shrinks there will still be a contingency of pilots that will never leave. They will be the pilots flying the E-175 jets.

I know your argument next. Since Skywest will be growing so much there will be a line of current 121 pilots banging on the door for quick upgrade.... Unlikely, most are already slotted for other majors and I seriously doubt the ASA/XJT pilots will jump ship for Skywest. That's most of the industry, and there really aren't enough pilots in the university pipelines.

let's look at the pilot groups for a second...

Eagle 3000 pilots slotted for AMR

Compass 400+ slotted for Delta

Endeavor 2000 kinda slotted for Delta but not interested in regionals none the less...

ASA/XJT 4400 pilots who will likely apply and accept an interview so they can tell you to shove it up your _____ ... Just for a laugh

Republic 2000 or so, but they are simply shutting down parts of their airline because they don't have the pilots...

So please do explain how this incredible Skywest growth would happen without paying more. Look at whats happening at Eagle and Republic already. It's just the start....

Finally you say I may not like the sound of it in terms of a wind down...

"While you may not like the sound of it, it's a smart business move and we all know it's all about the money."

I'm actually freaking elated at the concept. It makes me grin ear to ear. Winding down the operation will mean that the majors really don't have any cost benefit in using the regional model and they simply will let the remaining contracts be done. If this happens it means that the c scale regional model is done. The majors will be forced to take back most of the flying and the last few RJ carriers will only be a fraction of what they are today. I seriously, seriously, seriously dream of that day. Honestly, if i'm lucky enough to ever get a major job, it will be a personal mission to see to it that the RJ carriers cease to fly.