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#4661
Are you familiar with the term "pattern bargaining"? You don't only get to employ it when it suits you....ALPA pioneered "pattern bargaining" and it can be a two way street. Mainline watched the pattern regress the past decade and they will never get back to where they were in 2000.
2 questions to ask are:
1. How does this compare to the industry?
2. What are the possible consequences to voting NO?
2 questions to ask are:
1. How does this compare to the industry?
2. What are the possible consequences to voting NO?
Here's my consequence to voting no. I'll get my somewhat acceptable work rules and pay until the last day this company is open and go to compass or somewhere else and probably make captain faster than I would if I stayed here.
#4662
Banned
Joined APC: Feb 2007
Position: Delta Gear Slinger
Posts: 415
Was just chatting with a friend about this and wanted to share:
Section 25.P.2
Captains Flying as First Officers
a. A reserve captain may be required to fly as a first officer if no
reserve first officers are available to fly an assignment.
b. If both crewmembers are on reserve, the more senior reserve
(by pilot system seniority) will designate who will be captain and
first officer.
c. If the other crewmember is a lineholder, he will be the captain.
d. A reserve captain will not be required to fly more than 20 hours
as a first officer in a month.
e. The pilot will be paid and credited as a captain for the first
officer assignment.
f. A pilot retains the responsibility to determine if an assignment is
safe, and may reasonably refuse an assignment to fly as first officer.
Section 25.P.2
Captains Flying as First Officers
a. A reserve captain may be required to fly as a first officer if no
reserve first officers are available to fly an assignment.
b. If both crewmembers are on reserve, the more senior reserve
(by pilot system seniority) will designate who will be captain and
first officer.
c. If the other crewmember is a lineholder, he will be the captain.
d. A reserve captain will not be required to fly more than 20 hours
as a first officer in a month.
e. The pilot will be paid and credited as a captain for the first
officer assignment.
f. A pilot retains the responsibility to determine if an assignment is
safe, and may reasonably refuse an assignment to fly as first officer.
#4663
How exactly does that "help the profession"? Isn't that how we got here?
#4664
Was just chatting with a friend about this and wanted to share:
Section 25.P.2
Captains Flying as First Officers
a. A reserve captain may be required to fly as a first officer if no
reserve first officers are available to fly an assignment.
b. If both crewmembers are on reserve, the more senior reserve
(by pilot system seniority) will designate who will be captain and
first officer.
c. If the other crewmember is a lineholder, he will be the captain.
d. A reserve captain will not be required to fly more than 20 hours
as a first officer in a month.
e. The pilot will be paid and credited as a captain for the first
officer assignment.
f. A pilot retains the responsibility to determine if an assignment is
safe, and may reasonably refuse an assignment to fly as first officer.
Section 25.P.2
Captains Flying as First Officers
a. A reserve captain may be required to fly as a first officer if no
reserve first officers are available to fly an assignment.
b. If both crewmembers are on reserve, the more senior reserve
(by pilot system seniority) will designate who will be captain and
first officer.
c. If the other crewmember is a lineholder, he will be the captain.
d. A reserve captain will not be required to fly more than 20 hours
as a first officer in a month.
e. The pilot will be paid and credited as a captain for the first
officer assignment.
f. A pilot retains the responsibility to determine if an assignment is
safe, and may reasonably refuse an assignment to fly as first officer.
#4665
Banned
Joined APC: Feb 2007
Position: Delta Gear Slinger
Posts: 415
By the way, the duty rig is still intact. Not sure where you guys were getting that. Its the same as it is now for LASA.
2:1 up to 12 hours and 1:1 thereafter (scheduled only).
2:1 up to 12 hours and 1:1 thereafter (scheduled only).
#4666
1. Who cares?!?!? Mainline airlines are making historical profits and paying the guy who empties the LAV more in bonuses quarterly than you'll EVER see...not to mention what the FA's, gate agents and pilots are getting...on top of their nice pay increases.
I certainly don't expect that due to us being FEED and not mainline but, THEIR IS NO REASON TO BE STAGNANT OR BACKSLIDE ON PAY OR BENEFITS.
I certainly don't expect that due to us being FEED and not mainline but, THEIR IS NO REASON TO BE STAGNANT OR BACKSLIDE ON PAY OR BENEFITS.
In 1998, I voted NO on the first TA. In 1998, I helped negotiate what was then an industry leading contract because the first TA was far from industry leading. In 1998, our net profit margin was 15 percent. This isn't 1998. In 2013 we currently have the industry leading contract. In 2013 we have a TA that pushes the two industry leading contracts a tad bit further. In 2013 we have no net profit.
I'm as ****ed about this situation as anyone. However it is never good to get emotional when making business decisions.
Originally Posted by ohplease!
It's pitiful you have boxed yourself into such a corner that you will sit there and cower in fear that your job may vanish....
#4669
Banned
Joined APC: Dec 2007
Position: EMB 145 CPT
Posts: 2,934
In 2013 we have a TA that pushes the two industry leading contracts a tad bit further.
#4670
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Dec 2005
Position: 7ER B...whatever that means.
Posts: 3,982
While we are b!tching about XJT, WHERE'S MY DANG DECEMBER SCHEDULE!? BID CLOSED THIS MORNING AND STILL NOTHING!!!
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