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Old 11-21-2013, 02:00 PM
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This part really p1ssed me off. We've been paid based on brake release. To top it off, they left the ERJ on the brake.
This is a perfect example of why they don't like to release the documents until they can explain things. Guess what, that is the same as the current language. It hasn't changed. It will still be paid based on ACARS...nothing has changed here.
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Old 11-21-2013, 02:10 PM
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Wow, that's ****ty
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Old 11-21-2013, 02:16 PM
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In terms of pattern bargaining...It's better than expected. Yes vote here. I bet any other regional would gladly trade CBA's.
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Old 11-21-2013, 02:18 PM
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In terms of pattern bargaining...It's better than expected. Yes vote here. I bet any other regional would gladly trade CBA's.
Wow, really? Jesus.......doesn't take much to please you huh?
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Old 11-21-2013, 02:23 PM
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Originally Posted by JoeyMeatballs
Wow, really? Jesus.......doesn't take much to please you huh?
Are you familiar with the term "pattern bargaining"? You don't only get to employ it when it suits you....ALPA pioneered "pattern bargaining" and it can be a two way street. Mainline watched the pattern regress the past decade and they will never get back to where they were in 2000.

2 questions to ask are:

1. How does this compare to the industry?

2. What are the possible consequences to voting NO?
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Old 11-21-2013, 02:29 PM
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Originally Posted by JoeMerchant
This is a perfect example of why they don't like to release the documents until they can explain things. Guess what, that is the same as the current language. It hasn't changed. It will still be paid based on ACARS...nothing has changed here.
Although that may be the case, why not change it to match our current methods and Express side? It doesn't make much sense to me.

As for the rest of the contract, it's crap. I'll stick with my NO.
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Old 11-21-2013, 02:33 PM
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Originally Posted by JustAnotherPLT
Although that may be the case, why not change it to match our current methods and Express side? It doesn't make much sense to me.
They are both essentially the same. Your not suppose to drop the brake until your ready to move...either under your own power or tug. It's the same. There are bigger fish to fry, and it is more important to keep other things than get language that wouldn't change anything anyways.
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Old 11-21-2013, 02:36 PM
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Originally Posted by JoeMerchant
They are both essentially the same. Your not suppose to drop the brake until your ready to move...either under your own power or tug. It's the same. There are bigger fish to fry, and it is more important to keep other things than get language that wouldn't change anything anyways.
I agree there are, but these small things add up too. There are a lot of subtle changes I'm noticing that are not in our favor.
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Old 11-21-2013, 02:44 PM
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Originally Posted by JustAnotherPLT
I agree there are, but these small things add up too. There are a lot of subtle changes I'm noticing that are not in our favor.
There always are in contract negotiations. You don't get everything in your favor. Overall it is an improvement. Overall it is far better than other regionals.
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Overall it is an improvement.
That is highly debatable, especially for the ERJ side.

Originally Posted by JoeMerchant
Overall it is far better than other regionals.
That is most likely true.
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