What's the Latest at ASA/Expressjet?
07-10-2012, 04:23 AM
#401
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Oct 2008
Posts: 195
LOL. I'm actually laughing, thanks. I'm a big boy. I know when to catch the school bus.
Those people that punch that clock get paid till they punch out, do you?
07-10-2012, 04:50 AM
#402
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Joined APC: Apr 2007
Position: A320
Posts: 1,316
See that is the old school way of thinking. Treat everyone like babies and the company will run just fine. That works when you have a small company and other companies of similar industry have the same culture. Bottom line is, several other airlines operate with out this procedure. And they operate just fine. So why is it needed again?
07-10-2012, 07:48 AM
#404
Line Holder
Joined APC: Jan 2008
Position: DHC-6 right seat
Posts: 72
I will happily check in if I start getting paid for that time. Heck if I got paid for that time, I would show up two hours early to make sure I am ready for my flight.
07-10-2012, 07:52 AM
#405
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Joined APC: Dec 2007
Position: EMB 145 CPT
Posts: 2,934
Why is it dumb? Is it dumb for all the people that punch the time clock when they get in? How about the people that walk past the bosses desk? Doesn't the company have the right to know if you made it to work so the flight can operate on time?
07-10-2012, 11:40 AM
#407
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Joined APC: Jul 2010
Position: CRJ
Posts: 419
Seriously? F that. I can get to work on time by myself. If I can't, I'm man enough to call scheduling and tell them what's up and to send an airport standby to take my place. If that happens I deal with the carpet dance that ensues. If I'm doing things right, it's covered by the commuter clause and I just send the chief an email.
The requirement to check in is crap and had better not make it into the next contract unless I can do it over my phone while I sit at the gate. Otherwise I'll just be calling scheduling every time to check me in as I walk to the gate like the few SMART flight attendants do.
The requirement to check in is crap and had better not make it into the next contract unless I can do it over my phone while I sit at the gate. Otherwise I'll just be calling scheduling every time to check me in as I walk to the gate like the few SMART flight attendants do.
07-10-2012, 11:44 AM
#408
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Joined APC: Dec 2011
Position: Not sure anymore
Posts: 206
There are ways around that.
Last edited by Kalamazoo; 07-10-2012 at 11:46 AM. Reason: didn't want to reveal secrets
07-10-2012, 11:58 AM
#409
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Joined APC: Jul 2010
Position: CRJ
Posts: 419
Really all you have to look at is the long list of grievances we currently have.
They have fought for our DHD on mainline flights to no longer be block or better because "continental" is no longer operating the flights... they have since come to their senses because they would have most likely lost the long drawn out arbitration.
They want us to check in 1 hr prior at an airport terminal despite the fact that we used negotiating capital to end that horrible idea 7 years ago. It didn't work last time, our operation is twice as spread out across more terminals, and if they want to try it again then they need to negotiate to get it back. They are adamant that they can enforce this upon us and that they are somehow being nice by giving us an "extension."
Pay: Pay claims are not being responded to within the contractual 14 day time frame, they no longer mail you a check for a gross underpayment unless you bring the contract to their attention, and they are actively changing flight times in rainmaker to their benefit weeks after you operated that flight.
We are now in SWAP for any little sneeze across the US which is fine but any trades outside of skedplus (even if it benefits the company) are about as rare as a water into wine miracle, the servers for skedplus are so slow that the ILIW and SLIW are now much less effective line adjustment tools, the wireless in the ewr crew room is now unusable and the powers that be don't want to ask United for a reasonable fix because we don't want to bite the hand that feeds us. Just like they didn't want to fight for our EARNED vacation passes, a pass priority above unaccompanied pass riders, or to stop mainline people from bumping us on our own flights by using vacation passes for an entire year.
The deadheading positive space thing is a blatant concession but now they are whittling away at our work rules and QOL little by little. It might only be a few small things but they are actively taking things away from us. A perfect example of this is how much we have to keep an eye on our pay now that Rainmaker (which wasn't ready to be rolled out) is supposedly a benefit to us. Their first software fix for rainmaker that took months to program wasn;t even to correct the problems we were having with it. It was to correctly pay us LESS! It was paying everyone 75 hrs even if they flew 60 hrs and that was what they wanted to correct first. Not the hundreds of hours of flight training pay, pairing overages, and vacation pay that they were stealing from us.
Nothing is getting better or easier for the employees. Everything benefits them or is somebody else's fault that they have no control to fix so we have to live with it.
They have fought for our DHD on mainline flights to no longer be block or better because "continental" is no longer operating the flights... they have since come to their senses because they would have most likely lost the long drawn out arbitration.
They want us to check in 1 hr prior at an airport terminal despite the fact that we used negotiating capital to end that horrible idea 7 years ago. It didn't work last time, our operation is twice as spread out across more terminals, and if they want to try it again then they need to negotiate to get it back. They are adamant that they can enforce this upon us and that they are somehow being nice by giving us an "extension."
Pay: Pay claims are not being responded to within the contractual 14 day time frame, they no longer mail you a check for a gross underpayment unless you bring the contract to their attention, and they are actively changing flight times in rainmaker to their benefit weeks after you operated that flight.
We are now in SWAP for any little sneeze across the US which is fine but any trades outside of skedplus (even if it benefits the company) are about as rare as a water into wine miracle, the servers for skedplus are so slow that the ILIW and SLIW are now much less effective line adjustment tools, the wireless in the ewr crew room is now unusable and the powers that be don't want to ask United for a reasonable fix because we don't want to bite the hand that feeds us. Just like they didn't want to fight for our EARNED vacation passes, a pass priority above unaccompanied pass riders, or to stop mainline people from bumping us on our own flights by using vacation passes for an entire year.
The deadheading positive space thing is a blatant concession but now they are whittling away at our work rules and QOL little by little. It might only be a few small things but they are actively taking things away from us. A perfect example of this is how much we have to keep an eye on our pay now that Rainmaker (which wasn't ready to be rolled out) is supposedly a benefit to us. Their first software fix for rainmaker that took months to program wasn;t even to correct the problems we were having with it. It was to correctly pay us LESS! It was paying everyone 75 hrs even if they flew 60 hrs and that was what they wanted to correct first. Not the hundreds of hours of flight training pay, pairing overages, and vacation pay that they were stealing from us.
Nothing is getting better or easier for the employees. Everything benefits them or is somebody else's fault that they have no control to fix so we have to live with it.
This is how they are and it totally blows. They wonder why people are disgruntled and call out sick and things like that. I for one no longer "help" or care to help. I come to work and do what I am obligated to do according to the contract, FOM, and written company policies, nothing more or less. We don't get paid enough to be schedulers, maintenance, dispatch, etc. So if they want to screw up the operation because they have "the big picture", even though its obviously the wrong decision, then so be it.
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