Captain Tony

Except that Whoppers taste like crap and bk's fries suck. All of the major airlines' crappy services are indistinguishable.

wmupilot85

Lay off the crack pipe, Big Macs suck and the Whopper is much better.

Captain Tony

Mustangs are for chicks and guys who are "compensating for something".

wmupilot85

Then why do you always beg for a ride in it?

Captain Tony

Because your fiancee picks me up in it when you're taking your mom with you on trips.

Good Rate

Good for them. Is it too much for someone to expect to earn a livable wage for working a full time job.

It's funny...a high school drop out working at mcd and bk sees more value in themselves than a college degreed, professionally trained airline pilot.

Gunga Galunga

The pathetic thing is they have the clarity to realize its a career, most regional pilots are delusional it's just temporary until they get on at delta

wmupilot85

I would say that what's pathetic is that we are bound by a law written 87 years ago that doesn't allow us to band together and stop the management from doing this. They, along with the federal arbitrators, have us by the balls. I would like to see the federal arbitrators go to arbitration/mediation to have their pay cut down 40-60%.

AtlCSIP

Any more TA updates?

JamesNoBrakes

Well, if you're going to go there, everyone has decided that a job, a chance of a furlough, the instability of the industry, possibly having to change bases and sit on reserves for long amounts of time, bringing home some money, is better than no job (or any other job they can think of?), despite the fact that it only takes 7 years to rebuild your credit. How long does it take get into even the right seat at a major like Delta? The way the industry has worked for decades is: "be quiet and take the beatings and one day you'll make it and it will all be worth it". For many people, that's not turning out to be the 1-2 years they bet on, so it's turned into a decade or even more. If the pilots really stood up and just up and quit, they'd rock the industry and that stupid 87 year old law. Of course they'd be fired and the airline would probably pack up and call it a day, because corporations will leave those with the most to lose hanging, including stockholders, but you'd probably make the necessary changes in the industry if this happened on any kind of scale. Of course, then we'd figure out that the industry has been artificially inflated all along and many would lose their jobs, which brings us back around to the first part about just being happy to have a job.

Given how many years it takes to rebuild credit, I'm surprised more people don't think like this though, no one wants to just dump responsibilities, but at some point you've got to draw the line with working conditions and compensation. The allure of the "just gotta spend a year or two at the regional and then it's right to the major cuz there'll be a pilot shortage (airline surplus)" is just too tempting...

You are not bound by an 87 year old law, how do you think unions got started in the first place? People died for ideals they believed in strongly enough in other realms like civil rights, etc. Not saying that is necessary, but it's something to think about...

It's a vicious cycle for sure.