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Old 07-23-2013, 03:05 PM
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if management wants concessions then we can start with acey days, aceypalooza, mini indy, new IT platforms every 3 months, people at the Atech who actually pick up their phones when you have a problem, turkey coupons, among friends newsletters, double management teams, surejet fiascos, "focus groups", premium pay and vacation buybacks every summer and anything related to our lack of a crew utilization department.

All they are doing is wringing a bar towel out for every last drop it can. Get a concessionary contract voted in before a pilot shortage and mass attrition so whoever comes to work here (or who is stupid enough to stay) have to deal with being away from home 17-19 days a month while making less than a fast food shift manager. Time to just say enough's enough
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Old 07-23-2013, 04:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Gunga Galunga
if management wants concessions then we can start with acey days, aceypalooza, mini indy, new IT platforms every 3 months, people at the Atech who actually pick up their phones when you have a problem, turkey coupons, among friends newsletters, double management teams, surejet fiascos, "focus groups", premium pay and vacation buybacks every summer and anything related to our lack of a crew utilization department.

All they are doing is wringing a bar towel out for every last drop it can. Get a concessionary contract voted in before a pilot shortage and mass attrition so whoever comes to work here (or who is stupid enough to stay) have to deal with being away from home 17-19 days a month while making less than a fast food shift manager. Time to just say enough's enough
Keep the turkey coupon!! At least everyone in the company gets to enjoy it. Unlike everything such as aceydays, mini indy etc.. Those are more designed for the mon-fri office jockeys. Not everyone has weekdays from 1-3p off. Or if they do, delays are bound to happen.
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Old 07-23-2013, 04:19 PM
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I see it's all starting to sink in now. Good, glad you guys are finally getting it.
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Old 07-23-2013, 04:55 PM
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It's awesome that both the ASA/XJT guys are coming together and putting an end to something Pinnacle guys so willingly accepted. I believe with Eagles "no thanks" and XJT (I believe they have had enough) "No" there will hopefully be a turning point in the regional industry
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Old 07-23-2013, 05:20 PM
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Originally Posted by newarkblows
and they are playing skywest pilots against us... who could have seen that one coming.
That's what I've been saying for a long time. It's been happening since day one of negotiations.

Originally Posted by Vertisch
I am not understanding how were up against Skywest. Isn't their agreement with their pilot group that they just get ASA contract plus 1%?
No, generally they get some industry average rate (or some concocted middle of the pack rate) minus 2%. But the "agreement" they have is that they get whatever 401k matching, health benefits, and scope that we get. Surprise surprise, all three of those sections and rates are still open.

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Originally Posted by Saabs
That is a horrible analogy - one is a contract carrier who had a set negotiated income. Colgan was losing money before they got the new pilot contract that didn't last long. If anything ur analogy made it seem like our increase in compensation mad colgan go under.
Fine. Compare Southwest to anyone you want. Point is, you can pay your employees commensurate with their qualifications and experience AND make money. A fair, livable wage and profitability are not mutually exclusive. As soon as we can ALL tell management to look in the mirror next time they want to cut costs, the better off we will be. I, for one, am tired of watching this company fart away stupid amounts of money through mindless inefficiency and then they tell me I am the reason we aren't cost competitive. Just makes my blood boil.
Not to mention that having two sets of management teams, one in ATL and one in SGU probably costs the company more than what they seek in concessions.
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Old 07-23-2013, 05:30 PM
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It's awesome that both the ASA/XJT guys are coming together and putting an end to something Pinnacle guys so willingly accepted. I believe with Eagles "no thanks" and XJT (I believe they have had enough) "No" there will hopefully be a turning point in the regional industry
I agree 100%, this has the potential to be big. If they can't afford my 7th year FO pay (or even a 15yr Capt) then put her down.
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Old 07-23-2013, 05:50 PM
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It's gonna get ugly and we are all probably gonna see some flying transferred and maybe even some jobs lost. In the end it does us no good to give up and agree to concessions. Stand together and suck it up. It will be worth it.




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Old 07-23-2013, 05:59 PM
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Originally Posted by 66Vtails
It's gonna get ugly and we are all probably gonna see some flying transferred and maybe even some jobs lost. In the end it does us no good to give up and agree to concessions. Stand together and suck it up. It will be worth it.




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I dont think flying will be transferred. This is skywest inc. Thats lost revenue. They will find a way to keep flying. I don't think they will let opportunity go just to make a point. It gets very expensive to shrink an airline. Delta wanted to shut down comair. XJT doesn't want to shutdown XJT.
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Old 07-23-2013, 06:02 PM
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Hell no to paycuts!!!!!!!
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Old 07-23-2013, 06:23 PM
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My sources tell me that a most of what the company is going after is in the L-XJT contract, not so much the L-ASA contract... and I still say KMA!

XJT "Management", right your ship before you ask to climb aboard ours!!! When I see one of the duplicate sets of management eliminated (ATL, or SGU) and serious improvements in scheduling efficiency, THEN we'll talk!
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