What's the Latest at ASA/Expressjet?
07-02-2012, 06:33 PM
#351
Happy to be here
Joined APC: Jun 2006
Position: A-320A
Posts: 18,563
Alright the back and forth has now gotten the attention of most the Mod. Keep he insults and name calling out of it or the thread will be closed.
07-02-2012, 07:46 PM
#354
Banned
Joined APC: Dec 2007
Position: EMB 145 CPT
Posts: 2,934
There's an interesting undertone from a few of the ERJ ExpressJet guys on here. I don't know if it's a self-conscious thing because your company was acquired (by Skyw Inc.). If it's some sort of over compensation because you have an inferiority complex of some sort (I don't understand why you would). Or, if you are just a couple of jackasses trying to get a rise out of the CRJ guys and create a divide on the ERJ. Goaround, for your sake I really hope you are just trolling. The crap you spew and te dissent you try to create is 1. Not based on facts, what TA are you talking about!? And 2. Is going to do nothing to better this company . Unfortunately there are people who read this stuff and don't know better than to look past the crap you write and realize you are full of it. Nevets. Well, you used to make sense but your delivery these days sounds more like a desperate broken record. I've written you off too.
To those who are either new to this business or new to reading these boards, please take what these guys write with a huge grain of salt. It is this divisiveness and distribution of "facts" by a few people with agendas that will do nothing but drive you crazy and make you angry. That's what they want!
I've met so many ERJ XJT crews this year and I am really looking forward to working along side them in the future. I won't let a few jerks from your side effect my opinion of you, and I hope you will do the same for us.
To those who are either new to this business or new to reading these boards, please take what these guys write with a huge grain of salt. It is this divisiveness and distribution of "facts" by a few people with agendas that will do nothing but drive you crazy and make you angry. That's what they want!
I've met so many ERJ XJT crews this year and I am really looking forward to working along side them in the future. I won't let a few jerks from your side effect my opinion of you, and I hope you will do the same for us.
We don't want ANYTHING less than what we have. The problem as I see it from my admittedly narrow point of view from these forums is that since the crj guys have an inferior contract, they are willing to live with gains for themselves that would be concessions to the ERJ guys' concessionary contract.
07-03-2012, 02:59 AM
#355
Underpaid...
Joined APC: Nov 2010
Position: French-Canadian
Posts: 2,101
I am glad to hear you guys are willing to fight for what you have as well as improvements, but there is no need for the bickering about who has a better contract. Right now close to half the regionals are signing concessionary contracts, then RAH could easily file for CH11 to get rid of Frontier and get their labor "cost" in order. You guys are standing in an island of your own, you guys what your accounts have the best "most expensive" contract out there and could easily end up like most of us. Your company has half a billion in cash, for a corporation the size of SKW that isn't a lot. Many people hang their heads on this money but it means nothing. I hope it doesn't come to that, for the sake of all of us
07-03-2012, 04:23 AM
#356
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Mar 2009
Position: ERJ right
Posts: 265
Look, all that some of us are saying is to let management do their job by tryi to squeeze every cent from us, as they should, and let our JNC take as much from the coffers as they can get their hands on. There is an economical medium that will be reached. In fact, I would bet my house that management already has a top dollar amount that they are willing to negotiate. It's their job to make this company profitable, not ours, at least not in the sense of giving them anything from our compensation or work rules.
We don't want ANYTHING less than what we have. The problem as I see it from my admittedly narrow point of view from these forums is that since the crj guys have an inferior contract, they are willing to live with gains for themselves that would be concessions to the ERJ guys' concessionary contract.
We don't want ANYTHING less than what we have. The problem as I see it from my admittedly narrow point of view from these forums is that since the crj guys have an inferior contract, they are willing to live with gains for themselves that would be concessions to the ERJ guys' concessionary contract.
07-03-2012, 07:42 AM
#357
Banned
Joined APC: Dec 2007
Position: EMB 145 CPT
Posts: 2,934
Look, all that some of us are saying is to let management do their job by tryi to squeeze every cent from us, as they should, and let our JNC take as much from the coffers as they can get their hands on. There is an economical medium that will be reached. In fact, I would bet my house that management already has a top dollar amount that they are willing to negotiate. It's their job to make this company profitable, not ours, at least not in the sense of giving them anything from our compensation or work rules.
We don't want ANYTHING less than what we have. The problem as I see it from my admittedly narrow point of view from these forums is that since the crj guys have an inferior contract, they are willing to live with gains for themselves that would be concessions to the ERJ guys' concessionary contract.
We don't want ANYTHING less than what we have. The problem as I see it from my admittedly narrow point of view from these forums is that since the crj guys have an inferior contract, they are willing to live with gains for themselves that would be concessions to the ERJ guys' concessionary contract.
07-03-2012, 07:49 AM
#358
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Dec 2011
Position: Not sure anymore
Posts: 206
Sorry if it offended you but it's true. I can only think a couple things in your contract that I would want. So no, I didn't mean to say that everything in your contract is inferior. My point is that since, overall, your contract is inferior, the crj guys seem willing to settle for gains that are concessions for the ERJ guys.
Last edited by Kalamazoo; 07-03-2012 at 08:04 AM.
07-03-2012, 09:17 AM
#359
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Mar 2012
Position: Catching breathe
Posts: 240
Agreed. With our aging fleet / maintenance delays, it would be nice to have duty rigs that apply.
A few more that I would like to see for the CRJ guys and ERJ if applies.
-Reduction of RRR per month for the reserve pilots.
-Deadhead pay is block or greater (pay like you flew it which covers MX and weather delays).
-Increase in min day
-Reduction in the percentage of 4 day trips.
A few more that I would like to see for the CRJ guys and ERJ if applies.
-Reduction of RRR per month for the reserve pilots.
-Deadhead pay is block or greater (pay like you flew it which covers MX and weather delays).
-Increase in min day
-Reduction in the percentage of 4 day trips.
07-03-2012, 09:19 AM
#360
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Dec 2011
Position: Not sure anymore
Posts: 206
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